Foundation dogs in a pedigree & genetic effects

yukidomari · 27-05-2010, 15:36

Well, in response to the genetic effects..

It's not surprising to me that unfortunately while there was a small selection of wolves used in the foundation of the breed, overall the breed's health is affected by largely GSDs, which IMHO is one of the most health-plagued breeds there are.

Don't think that back then there was the possibility of limiting DM, and while there is the possibility now, many GSD breeders don't even test for it because it's become so embedded in all lines that it wouldn't mean much for their breeding choices.

While its entirely possible that wolves may have bad hips, a part of me says that bad hips in Vlcaks can largely be attributed to their GSD lineage, which popular stud syndrome may or may not have excerbated.

As always, linebreeding and tightly breeding small groups establishes 'type' and can be helpful to eliminate certain unwanted traits, yet can also stabilize unwanted traits into a breed as well, sometimes unknowingly until generations later.

It's nothing special to Vlcaks, I'm sure you know, though. It's all part and parcel of the art of purebred dogs.

Mikael · 27-05-2010, 18:46

Aurora del Mango Galomy Oak ( Luna ) is to young to be in elf’s statistic software, but yes she is 8,7% Rep z as I understand on (ALL) generations, mathematically.

You can see some info here in the database >>> http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.php?op=modload&name=WolfdogDB&file=wright& lan=eng&wid=12489&maxdepth=99

She has very low COI % on 5 generations in the WD database it say 2,1% on 5 g.
( The recommended value on 5 g is maximum 10% as I anderstand )

You can look for more info in the softwere on Hronsek and Anthea...

The CsV statistic tool >>> http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...gi-bin/form.py

Best regards / Mikael

elf · 28-05-2010, 21:44

Hi,

You can still use the tool with the parents and + operator, you need to enter 9143+9076 in dog ID, for exemple: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...id=9143%2B9076

A.

Vaiva · 29-05-2010, 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari

It's not surprising to me that unfortunately while there was a small selection of wolves used in the foundation of the breed, overall the breed's health is affected by largely GSDs, which IMHO is one of the most health-plagued breeds there are.

Well, the health problems we know now in GSDs might be new enought and not affect the GSDs 50 or more years ago

It seems like a good topic to study

27-05-2010, 18:46	#2
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	Aurora del Mango Galomy Oak ( Luna ) is to young to be in elf’s statistic software, but yes she is 8,7% Rep z as I understand on (ALL) generations, mathematically. You can see some info here in the database >>> http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.php?op=modload&name=WolfdogDB&file=wright& lan=eng&wid=12489&maxdepth=99 She has very low COI % on 5 generations in the WD database it say 2,1% on 5 g. ( The recommended value on 5 g is maximum 10% as I anderstand ) You can look for more info in the softwere on Hronsek and Anthea... The CsV statistic tool >>> http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...gi-bin/form.py Best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916 Last edited by Mikael; 27-05-2010 at 21:17. Reason: ...

28-05-2010, 21:44	#3
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	Hi, You can still use the tool with the parents and + operator, you need to enter 9143+9076 in dog ID, for exemple: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...id=9143%2B9076 A. __________________ http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...m/csvstat.html

27-05-2010, 15:36	#1
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Well, in response to the genetic effects.. It's not surprising to me that unfortunately while there was a small selection of wolves used in the foundation of the breed, overall the breed's health is affected by largely GSDs, which IMHO is one of the most health-plagued breeds there are. Don't think that back then there was the possibility of limiting DM, and while there is the possibility now, many GSD breeders don't even test for it because it's become so embedded in all lines that it wouldn't mean much for their breeding choices. While its entirely possible that wolves may have bad hips, a part of me says that bad hips in Vlcaks can largely be attributed to their GSD lineage, which popular stud syndrome may or may not have excerbated. As always, linebreeding and tightly breeding small groups establishes 'type' and can be helpful to eliminate certain unwanted traits, yet can also stabilize unwanted traits into a breed as well, sometimes unknowingly until generations later. It's nothing special to Vlcaks, I'm sure you know, though. It's all part and parcel of the art of purebred dogs.