Herding?

Gypsy Wolf · 19-04-2010, 01:58

Remember, she is only 16 weeks old, and a lot of her "lack of interest" in the video is actually her offering "calming signals" (looking away, pretend sniffing, moving toward them sideways to be polite) to the sheep. Never having seen them before, she was not sure how to "communicate" with them, so she used "polite dog" language. Not to mention all the smells of the other dogs, sheep pee, and more importantly, sheep POO.
Disgusting, but true, she thought of the pasture as a salad bar - she ate at least a pound of sheep poo. So, there was FRESH poo in the round pen (hey, they are running Pez dispensers, mom!) to eat, as well.
And what exactly are we doing, mom? What are they?
Once she realized THEY moved if she chased them, she was all about that new-found power. It was the first time in her life that something bigger than her DIDN'T correct her rudeness! And they RAN AWAY so enticingly! And they have tug toys attached to their butts, too!

yukidomari · 19-04-2010, 02:05

I forgot about the sheep poo.

Yeah............ there was a horse that passed through our park this morning and left some gifts and the two pinshers would NOT leave it alone. Much more interesting, course.

Angelika · 19-04-2010, 02:18

Yes, very interesting. One day Luna will eat them all loooooooool

No, seriously: don´t you have the possibility to do "mantrailing" with Luna? CsW are really predestinated for that.

Cheers
Angelika

Gypsy Wolf · 19-04-2010, 02:36

I do Schutzhund with her - one of the phases is Tracking, so yes, she has learned to Track. Her favorite thing is bitework, though. She wants to GRAB the man!

Angelika · 19-04-2010, 03:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunas Mom

I do Schutzhund with her

Yes, Sara, we all know. But tracking is not the the same as trailing.

Please have a look here:

http://www.twhclub.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=1279

Please click on the link of the first post and then "Zum Video" top right.

It´s German but I think you´ll understand the "movie".

The CsW Altai (Falin Zlatá Palz) was able to find the reporter (who drove away by car for 3 kilometer) only by sniffing her neckerchief before.

Hard work ... but really good work for Czechoslowakian wolfdogs

Cheers,
Angelika

yukidomari · 19-04-2010, 13:31

Angelika, great video!!

Thank you for sharing. That looks like a fun activity to do with a CSV!

PS - Is that the same Ina on these forums?

Angelika · 19-04-2010, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Angelika, great video!!

Thank you for sharing. That looks like a fun activity to do with a CSV!

Yes, but also very exhausting for the dog to "catch" the right smell-particle.

Quote:

PS - Is that the same Ina on these forums?

You´re right

Mikael · 19-04-2010, 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelika

The CsW Altai (Falin Zlatá Palz) was able to find the reporter (who drove away by car for 3 kilometer)

She is simply the best

Is there any more video or her trailing ???

Best regards / Mikael

Gypsy Wolf · 19-04-2010, 20:12

I have not done "trailing" (air scenting, used for Search and Rescue and how AKC does their Tracking) with her, as I am doing Tracking, and if you teach a dog to air-scent first it is nearly impossible to get them to ground-scent without "casting" their nose in the air (a fault that loses you points in Tracking).
Once a dog has learned ground-scenting it is easy to teach air-scenting, so we are building our foundation with ground-scenting before I start air-scenting.
My plan is to earn SchH titles with her, so I am focused on that for right now.
As an aside, I taught my Malinois to ground-scent for SchH Tracking and a few months ago my friend's dog ran away - I was able to get him to air-scent and find the missing dog!

Gypsy Wolf · 04-01-2011, 00:44

So we took Luna herding again on 1-1-11. She was INCREDIBLE. Here is a link to the channel with her videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/draggardevir#p
Just look for Luna and Herding in the label and click on it. I am the gimpy handler with the hat.
She did really super on the sheep - much better than my German-Bred GSD, Kiri, who wanted to EAT the sheep. Luna had to stay "out" away from the sheep more than the other dogs - seems that the sheep got "light" due to her wolfier body silhouette. They allowed my Malinois very close, but Luna had to stay further and they were more anxious to crowd to me.
Luna "galloped" more than trotted, around the sheep (the other dogs trotted), but did not give hard eye - in fact, she gave a lot of polite calmng signals to them.
I will continue herding with her and my Malinois - I think my GSD is a little too hard on the stock (not to mention a challenge for my novice herding skills). Luna is also super about understanding "pressure" - not only pressure in regard to the stock, but also me as the handler. She is very sensitive to my eye and movement - incredible. Can't wait to see how she develops...

Mikael · 04-01-2011, 01:09

Very nice to see

Very good work Sara !!! And Luna to !!!

And Luna is getting so BIG

Very best regards / Mikael

Gypsy Wolf · 04-01-2011, 01:33

She is about 25" at the shoulder. Don't think she is going to get any taller, but she is LONG. I was very surprised to see her Herding so well - I figured she would be a little more "predatory" on the stock.
My instructor, Judith Kelly, also insisted that her students there watch Luna to a "different" kind of herding behavior. She teasingly calls Luna "the Wolf" - my Malinois is called "Prince Charming" and my GSD is the "Hard Bitch"...
One of the students noted that Luna pooed and peed in the same exact spot in the ring... latrine behavior has been documented in wolves and some domestic dogs.
She was very "smooth" though, easy to work due to her sensitivity, so I think Herding will be a successful venue for us. Not sure, but she may be the only Herding Instinct Certified CsV in the US right now...

yukidomari · 20-10-2011, 01:26

Since I started this topic more than a year ago, I would like to update a little about our adventures with our CsV whom we didn't have at the time.

Our dog has passed the first leg of his Herding Capability Test. At first we did it just for fun knowing that according to the answers on this post, CsV aren't really used or known for herding, but since he liked it so much we decided to continue lessons and classes. Our instructor was a really nice man who really liked our dog's enthusiasm. So maybe someday soon we will wrap up his second leg of the test with some additional training and be the first CsV to be titled in herding in the US.

In either case, as long as he is having fun, we will do it. We are also doing trailing as well, so we keep him a really busy dog!

Mikael · 20-10-2011, 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Our dog has passed the first leg of his Herding Capability Test. At first we did it just for fun knowing that according to the answers on this post, CsV aren't really used or known for herding, but since he liked it so much we decided to continue lessons and classes. Our instructor was a really nice man who really liked our dog's enthusiasm. So maybe someday soon we will wrap up his second leg of the test with some additional training and be the first CsV to be titled in herding in the US.

SUPER

!!!!

Really love to se photos

Best regards / M

tupacs2legs · 20-10-2011, 18:40

he did really well!! go ghost!!... wish the instructor was over here though lol

19-04-2010, 13:31	#6
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Angelika, great video!! Thank you for sharing. That looks like a fun activity to do with a CSV! PS - Is that the same Ina on these forums? Last edited by yukidomari; 19-04-2010 at 13:35.

04-01-2011, 00:44	#10
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	Second Herding Session with Luna So we took Luna herding again on 1-1-11. She was INCREDIBLE. Here is a link to the channel with her videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/draggardevir#p Just look for Luna and Herding in the label and click on it. I am the gimpy handler with the hat. She did really super on the sheep - much better than my German-Bred GSD, Kiri, who wanted to EAT the sheep. Luna had to stay "out" away from the sheep more than the other dogs - seems that the sheep got "light" due to her wolfier body silhouette. They allowed my Malinois very close, but Luna had to stay further and they were more anxious to crowd to me. Luna "galloped" more than trotted, around the sheep (the other dogs trotted), but did not give hard eye - in fact, she gave a lot of polite calmng signals to them. I will continue herding with her and my Malinois - I think my GSD is a little too hard on the stock (not to mention a challenge for my novice herding skills). Luna is also super about understanding "pressure" - not only pressure in regard to the stock, but also me as the handler. She is very sensitive to my eye and movement - incredible. Can't wait to see how she develops...

04-01-2011, 01:09	#11
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	Very nice to see Very good work Sara !!! And Luna to !!! And Luna is getting so BIG Very best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

20-10-2011, 01:26	#13
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Since I started this topic more than a year ago, I would like to update a little about our adventures with our CsV whom we didn't have at the time. Our dog has passed the first leg of his Herding Capability Test. At first we did it just for fun knowing that according to the answers on this post, CsV aren't really used or known for herding, but since he liked it so much we decided to continue lessons and classes. Our instructor was a really nice man who really liked our dog's enthusiasm. So maybe someday soon we will wrap up his second leg of the test with some additional training and be the first CsV to be titled in herding in the US. In either case, as long as he is having fun, we will do it. We are also doing trailing as well, so we keep him a really busy dog! Last edited by yukidomari; 20-10-2011 at 01:29.

20-10-2011, 18:40	#15
tupacs2legs rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: london Posts: 320	he did really well!! go ghost!!... wish the instructor was over here though lol Last edited by tupacs2legs; 20-10-2011 at 18:55. Reason: im an idiot with toothache

19-04-2010, 01:58	#1
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	Remember, she is only 16 weeks old, and a lot of her "lack of interest" in the video is actually her offering "calming signals" (looking away, pretend sniffing, moving toward them sideways to be polite) to the sheep. Never having seen them before, she was not sure how to "communicate" with them, so she used "polite dog" language. Not to mention all the smells of the other dogs, sheep pee, and more importantly, sheep POO. Disgusting, but true, she thought of the pasture as a salad bar - she ate at least a pound of sheep poo. So, there was FRESH poo in the round pen (hey, they are running Pez dispensers, mom!) to eat, as well. And what exactly are we doing, mom? What are they? Once she realized THEY moved if she chased them, she was all about that new-found power. It was the first time in her life that something bigger than her DIDN'T correct her rudeness! And they RAN AWAY so enticingly! And they have tug toys attached to their butts, too!

19-04-2010, 02:05	#2
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	I forgot about the sheep poo. Yeah............ there was a horse that passed through our park this morning and left some gifts and the two pinshers would NOT leave it alone. Much more interesting, course.

19-04-2010, 02:18	#3
Angelika Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 847	Yes, very interesting. One day Luna will eat them all loooooooool No, seriously: don´t you have the possibility to do "mantrailing" with Luna? CsW are really predestinated for that. Cheers Angelika

19-04-2010, 02:36	#4
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	I do Schutzhund with her - one of the phases is Tracking, so yes, she has learned to Track. Her favorite thing is bitework, though. She wants to GRAB the man!

19-04-2010, 20:12	#9
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	I have not done "trailing" (air scenting, used for Search and Rescue and how AKC does their Tracking) with her, as I am doing Tracking, and if you teach a dog to air-scent first it is nearly impossible to get them to ground-scent without "casting" their nose in the air (a fault that loses you points in Tracking). Once a dog has learned ground-scenting it is easy to teach air-scenting, so we are building our foundation with ground-scenting before I start air-scenting. My plan is to earn SchH titles with her, so I am focused on that for right now. As an aside, I taught my Malinois to ground-scent for SchH Tracking and a few months ago my friend's dog ran away - I was able to get him to air-scent and find the missing dog!

04-01-2011, 01:33	#12
Gypsy Wolf Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida & Minnesota U.S. Posts: 252	She is about 25" at the shoulder. Don't think she is going to get any taller, but she is LONG. I was very surprised to see her Herding so well - I figured she would be a little more "predatory" on the stock. My instructor, Judith Kelly, also insisted that her students there watch Luna to a "different" kind of herding behavior. She teasingly calls Luna "the Wolf" - my Malinois is called "Prince Charming" and my GSD is the "Hard Bitch"... One of the students noted that Luna pooed and peed in the same exact spot in the ring... latrine behavior has been documented in wolves and some domestic dogs. She was very "smooth" though, easy to work due to her sensitivity, so I think Herding will be a successful venue for us. Not sure, but she may be the only Herding Instinct Certified CsV in the US right now...