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Old 16-02-2010, 15:21   #1
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Let me see...please somebody correct me if I am wrong but...
You have a male and a female, both with ROI (pedigree).
They mate...they have puppies...
Within 25 days from birth of puppies you must declare the litter, indicating parents, pedigree number of parents and Chip number.
Within 90 days you declare name, chip number, new owner if different from Breeder and certification of local animal registration (anagrafe canina) for each puppy.
Local animal registration center checks very superficially if dog is healthy, checks cip number and nothing more.
So... You can have sick dogs, displasic dogs, brothers and sisters, whatever you want can make puppies, as long as you duly pay ENCI (nactional kennel club) they applications
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Old 16-02-2010, 16:34   #2
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I'm often jealous of breeding/registration restrictions in other countries. It seems like here in the US, we have really backwards thinking in comparison! I tend to view the AKC at this point a necessary evil. While it's the best national registry we have, and they offer wonderful activities/sports for dogs, as well as neutered "mutt" registries so pets can participate, as long as you have on paper dogs that were previously registered with the AKC (I think it only has to be 3 generations, as well) you can register a litter. There's absolutely no DNA testing (last I checked, anyway, this could have changed) so false reports happen often, and I tend to blame the AKC for a lot of the puppy mills in this country because they have absolutely no restrictions to promote good breeding practice. From what I've heard, although good breeders are pushing for these restrictions, the AKC has yet to give in because a large portion of their income comes from puppy mills and back-yard breeders who do nothing but churn out unhealthy puppies for profit. It's a very broken system, because the AKC is necessary to keep purebred dogs registered in the US, so bankrupting them isn't going to help anything!

haha I guess long story short, there isn't much in regards to NATIONAL regulations on breeding. However, specific breed clubs generally all have a list of ethical breeding practices that members must abide to. It's just a shame that so many people don't care.
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Old 16-02-2010, 17:18   #3
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Let me see...please somebody correct me if I am wrong but...
You have a male and a female, both with ROI (pedigree).
They mate...they have puppies...
Within 25 days from birth of puppies you must declare the litter, indicating parents, pedigree number of parents and Chip number.
Within 90 days you declare name, chip number, new owner if different from Breeder and certification of local animal registration (anagrafe canina) for each puppy.
Local animal registration center checks very superficially if dog is healthy, checks cip number and nothing more.
So... You can have sick dogs, displasic dogs, brothers and sisters, whatever you want can make puppies, as long as you duly pay ENCI (nactional kennel club) they applications
exactly, as long as you pay the registration fees, i took up subject with uk kennel club they have code of ethics good breeders should follow, joke is if a dog or bitch has very bad hipm result or has bad eye result, the pups from such animals can be registered by the kennel club, so your dog has hip and eye test done is bad on both,the kennel club then puts this information on dogs pedigree, instead of removing the pedigree and saying dog not suitable for breeding, no even when they have this information that they put on pedigrees they still register the pups from affected dogs, and they tell me its not all about MONEY....
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Old 16-02-2010, 18:47   #4
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Breeding age…

"At the earliest at the age recommended by their special club.
But newer before second heat.

And than max 5 litters / female / lifetime.

I think this will stop the worst puppy milling and abuse of the females.

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I did only Wright about things that would effect age of first litter for a female,but we have a hole book of other rules to follow...

And one of them is…

That you as a breeder must follow the Swedish Kennel Clubs health program.
And if one read them, a part of it say, that it is the breed clubs responsibility to do research and apply for demands for breeding for there breed, like eye tests, HD, ED and more…

But this far we do not have official club and can not demand anything, we can only recommend, as are club is unofficial www.ssck.se

And off course we must follow the ground roles of breeding always.

But I think it is good that the demands can be set up by the special club if needed, like in are case HD and ED test.

And if the club want they can demand 24 month before breeding a female.

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Old 16-02-2010, 19:05   #5
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Oh Massimo, you should be happy, at least the breeder may declare the litter and someone check if the pup realy exist or not.

According the CBKC rules you only need both studs with FCI pedigree for be able to register the pupies, you send the litter map and in 30 days back the pedigree, important is only pay for it.
So, you can breed the female many times as you wich, with no results at all and if you have pedigree its ok, even if the female is not the same dog pointed in the pedigree, you can even register 10 pups in a litter wich has been born 5... sometimes you can even meet long time death females with few month pups... ... ...
You can easly find CBKC pedigrees being sold in internet for who wich buy.
As I often listen, everything we can be proud of our vets, we can be ashamed of our kennel Club.
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Old 16-02-2010, 19:11   #6
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Oh Massimo, you should be happy, at least the breeder may declare the litter and someone check if the pup realy exist or not.

According the CBKC rules you only need both studs with FCI pedigree for be able to register the pupies, you send the litter map and in 30 days back the pedigree, important is only pay for it.
So, you can breed the female many times as you wich, with no results at all and if you have pedigree its ok, even if the female is not the same dog pointed in the pedigree, you can even register 10 pups in a litter wich has been born 5... sometimes you can even meet long time death females with few month pups... ... ...
You can easly find CBKC pedigrees being sold in internet for who wich buy.
As I often listen, everything we can be proud of our vets, we can be ashamed of our kennel Club.
Yes but how hard can it than be to buy a HD A/A result on the web to ???

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Yes but how hard can it than be to buy a HD A/A result on the web to ???

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No, its realy not possible as the HD and ED results are only up to the vets, so CBKC dont touch it, if it happen, the vets involved would lost his right to work.
But if you analising the situation its a market with no future here, as few owners knows and cares about HD results in the moment of buy a pup, as the club dont make control of it and does not requires it for register the pups, puppy mills does not care for healty tests as well and nor even will bother thinking in make or falsified it.
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Yes but how hard can it than be to buy a HD A/A result on the web to ???

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you dont need to buy them, i know that the same bitch that had good hips was taken to same vet 3 times in less than one year and the results where used for other bitchs,,,,,,,,,,the chip number of the bitch that was not present was given to vet and he used it wth xray of the other dog,,,,,,,,,,,, nothing is impossable if you have the money,,,,,,,
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