handling of health problems

[Rona]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

I think this is a very good solution, together with a new forum for breeders.

Sorry for being devil's advocate, but haven't some of the breeders turned to be the heaviest gossipers and bullies? Aren't you guys afraid they'll use the info from the expert forum to sperad even more rumours and gossips among the 'newbies'?

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

I know but somehow we have to find a better way to communicate and maybe it would be a possible way to exclude liars if the lies are proofed to be lies. At least in a breeders forum people mainly know each other and better know each others dogs.
Don´t get me wrong I am only trying to do some kind of brainstorming to find a better way to communicate and I find it always better to know as much opinions as possible. It is easier (and cheaper) here than by phone or private mails and I don´t have much time this year to visit shows or camps. I wanted to talk to Mijke in Bratislava but had to leave without being able to speak to anybody.

Ina

[Rona]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

I know but somehow we have to find a better way to communicate and maybe it would be a possible way to exclude liars if the lies are proofed to be lies.

I'm afraid the procedures to proof it would be quite a challenge. Besides, who is to grant the "certificates of honesty"? Admin? Poor admin... .

I'd suggest a skype discussion group to which you'd invite only people you know and trust. This would be free of charge if you all have broadband and much safer. What's more, nobody could blame you for not including them in your "private conversations"

[saschia]

Originally Posted by Rona

I'd suggest a skype discussion group to which you'd invite only people you know and trust. This would be free of charge if you all have broadband and much safer. What's more, nobody could blame you for not including them in your "private conversations"

The disadvantage of Skype is that you need to be present to attend the discussion. On the other hand, with web forum you only need to come, have a look and say your opinion even weeks after the start.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by saschia

The disadvantage of Skype is that you need to be present to attend the discussion. On the other hand, with web forum you only need to come, have a look and say your opinion even weeks after the start.

You don't need to be present if you use the communicator, i.e. chat . You just click the button "conversations from yesterday" or "from the last 7 or 30 days or from the beginning" and read what everybody has written. You can send photos, documents, films, etc. and have several groups for various topics discussed, with different sets of participants

It's not my business and I don't care how the breeders will communicate among themselves. I just wanted to point another solution, maybe less controversial...Just imagime all the ill-feelings, accusations and commentaries if some breeders were invited to the "elite expert wolfdog.org forum" and some were not.

Whatever method of communication you choose, I wish you good luck with your efforts! I'm sure such 'brainstorming CSV health team' discussions will bring good developments for the breed and this is the thing that really matters.

[saschia]

Originally Posted by Rona

You don't need to be present if you use the communicator, i.e. chat . You just click the button "conversations from yesterday" or "from the last 7 or 30 days or from the beginning" and read what everybody has written. You can send photos, documents, films, etc. and have several groups for various topics discussed, with different sets of participants

Yes, but the participants all have to be online or you need to stay online until everybody gets what you have sent. You can access your communication but only for limited time (days, months but not years), and if you use several computers it tends to create chaos. Skype is great for instant communication, but not for widespread exchange of facts etc, especially not for people who live in different time zones or have internet access at different times of day.

I am not trying to say your idea is wrong - I just try to point out that the way you suggested is not ideal and for what reasons. If somebody resents not being invited into a web-based forum, they can also resent not being invited into a Skype chat.

[loco]

Originally Posted by Rona

Sorry for being devil's advocate, but haven't some of the breeders turned to be the heaviest gossipers and bullies? Aren't you guys afraid they'll use the info from the expert forum to sperad even more rumours and gossips among the 'newbies'?

Touché .