Champions, world champions, super champions

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Rona

I know and you know well what I think of show titles . I just found it really humorous, that he was blaming you for envy of WW title

aha and I

[Erwan Grey]

Originally Posted by CDaniela

My Mio did´t have any major titles at the time of covering. They came later ..
I'm very sad of your words. He is for me the best dog in the world, because he is my Amore Mio.

I think you misunderstood me ...

I try to explain that in a pedigree has many champions there is no guarantee that champions go, there are more possibilities, but there is no guarantee.

Sometimes two mediocre pieces comes a genetic mutation or a hybrid specimen (by genetic mutation) and is an excellent example.

At times a mixture of blood and chromosomes and gives the perfect mix of mediocre duplicate born a perfect copy.

Do not believe?

This is de mother nature and de Evolution Theory...

the breeding of a champion not only depends on the titles of his predecessors, but it also depends on items such as embryonic cell lineages, the quality of cell division, chromosomes, and in turn this depends on the laws of simple inheritance , of the genes and alleles, complete or incomplete dominance, the possibility of multiple alleles, gene mimics, and therefore there must be borne in mind that this may cause masking of characters in other generations later come to light ...

[CDaniela]

Originally Posted by Erwan Grey

I think you misunderstood me ...

I try to explain that in a pedigree has many champions there is no guarantee that champions go, there are more possibilities, but there is no guarantee.

Sometimes two mediocre pieces comes a genetic mutation or a hybrid specimen (by genetic mutation) and is an excellent example.

At times a mixture of blood and chromosomes and gives the perfect mix of mediocre duplicate born a perfect copy.

Do not believe?

This is de mother nature and de Evolution Theory...

I very well understand. I write for Nebulosa and wolfin.

[jasmine]

Hey ! It is high time to finish this "nice" topic !
Uli, Daniela.....don't come down theire level of communication...............no worth...
A lot of people use the forum just dropping shits and hurt many of us.
Our results must be enough evidences that we do our hobby in the right way!


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[Erwan Grey]

Originally Posted by jasmine

Hey ! It is high time to finish this "nice" topic !
Uli, Daniela.....don't come down theire level of communication...............no worth...
A lot of people use the forum just dropping shits and hurt many of us.
Our results must be enough evidences that we do our hobby in the right way!


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That is a very good comments Edit

As they say in Spain ... "learning by walking"

Each display their results and that alone is what counts. The words, insults, threats and comments absolutely no good at all.

Facts are what count at the world championships and breeding.

Why is it that most of the time, who talk the least results have???

but please, the discussion is completed on the breeding, NO DISCUSSION ON IRREGULARITIES OF THIS "Breeder"; "Lupus Ibericus" because they are known to be good for everybody PLC

[Erwan Grey]

There is a phrase that I said a well known breeder of Wire Fox Terrier Spain and my friend Alberto Velasco from affix FCI "CHELINES"

"A breeder of champions can not be gauged by its current champion, but by the number of champions who owns his kennel in time"

great phrase.

[Vaiva]

Hmm, am I wrong or it really seems from some posts that being a champion for a dog is something bad? Breeders should breed for health, great character and YES, beauty. Because the dog that fits the standart most is the most beautiful, isn't it?

[Silvester]

Exactly, dear "jasmine" ! Just this i have also told before ...
And a World Champion "Harmonia Eden severu " with bonitation code

A62.5 F2 K1 Oc R1 P3

F2 = long ears

K1 = too long tail

Oc =irritable - uncourages

and P 3 NOT a P1 in bonitation- code , with two grandparents with HD- result "C" (!) can without any doubt not be compared with Amore Mio!

Greetings from Germany

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Silvester

Exactly, dear "jasmine" ! Just this i have also told before ...
And a World Champion "Harmonia Eden severu " with bonitation code

A62.5 F2 K1 Oc R1 P3

F2 = long ears

K1 = too long tail

Oc =irritable - uncourages

and P 3 NOT a P1 in bonitation- code , with two grandparents with HD- result "C" (!) can without any doubt not be compared with Amore Mio!

Greetings from Germany

Silvester, I don't want to take sides in this conflict, I don't understand what's going on here and where the problem is, but your posts are really funny!!!

Are you aware that your friend Carlos, selected Harmonia, the 'ugly' female WW 2006 with too long ears, too long tail, uncourages and irritable to be the mother of the male he bought from Daiva?
I don't know the dog, but I know the parents and belive me, they are great! Both Cheitan and Harmonia have something, that for me (a non-breeder) is most important in a dog: fantastic characters and working drive. Plus this 'something', sometimes called "charisma", of which you can say nothing if you haven't seen them interacting with humans and other dogs...

Please, think before you write your next post, unless you want to give us more entertainment... and further ridicule Carlos' kennel He does not deserve allies like you.

[wolfin]

Rona, thanks
Jasmine, Daniela, and others, ALL dogs is nice, and the best for his owner. And IDEAL dog not exist, all have faults.
and in breeding moore imporant is not Ch titles but others things, or would You think otherwise?

[Erwan Grey]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Rona, thanks
Jasmine, Daniela, and others, ALL dogs is nice, and the best for his owner. And IDEAL dog not exist, all have faults.
and in breeding moore imporant is not Ch titles but others things, or would You think otherwise?

applause. This is the best direcction of a good breeder in my opinion

[CDaniela]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Rona, thanks
Jasmine, Daniela, and others, ALL dogs is nice, and the best for his owner. And IDEAL dog not exist, all have faults.
and in breeding moore imporant is not Ch titles but others things, or would You think otherwise?

No, but you're talking about titles and beauty. Amore Mio is an active, healthy dog, friendly to people and it is most important. His exterior is only a bonus.

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by CDaniela

No, but you're talking about titles and beauty. Amore Mio is an active, healthy dog, friendly to people and it is most important. His exterior is only a bonus.

Yes, he are good, typical wolfdog, but can be better like and others alls wolfdog. EXELENT-IDEAL dog not exist breeder wish have this one, but this is like utopia and its very good, we can work, work and work

[Silvester]

This is what I have REALLY posted:

But i can understand you , "Nebulosa" :

Yes, it´s very difficult to find something negative in the pedigree of the first litter of the actuell World Champion and were all 4 grandparents have an "P1" in bonitation -code for "excellent"....beside other advantages like hip-results ( i already told ) , colour of eyes, quality of hair and coat , small ears and correct short tail, and, and , and....

You left away the main part !

(This main part was written by ME , not by YOU, you are right !
It was a writing/ printing mistake only.Sorry to this.)

But this you have been writing:

Originally posted by "Nebulosa":
But let me show you something that can be a shock for someone who only accept the existance of A dogs, the full brother of Bluebell, Baschan, is D, as some of her brothers have C results.

So, I think its time to wake up and at least try to understand what is selection, and that in dog breed does not exist perfect dog, sorry to say, but if you even tough that the line of your dog was the "most healty and clean of the breed" you were mistaken, its a line which need a lot of selection, as 99% of whole breed, and its a very important info if you even think about breed with your "perfect dog", open the eyes and see the truth can hurt, but its needed for the breed selection.

Do you think i don´t know already all this ??And about the other three ancestors of Carlos´litter you were talking about before?

Of course i know!

And i say it again: About "Perfect dog" I have never spoken - only you .

I´m betting at last 100 against 1 to you - that my "Zeus" will have an "A" for hip-result in future - you can take me by my public word here, you "Great Guru!"

And of course i also know that HD is not ONLY caused by genetics - may be you should read what i have posted here in the German wolfdog about 5 years before?

But yes , i´m sorry - you can not read German language.

Have a nice evening all !

[Erwan Grey]

Originally Posted by Rona

I don't know the dog, but I know the parents and belive me, they are great! Both Cheitan and Harmonia have something, that for me (a non-breeder) is most important in a dog: fantastic characters and working drive. Plus this 'something', sometimes called "charisma", of which you can say nothing if you haven't seen them interacting with humans and other dogs...

YESSSS!!!!! is this items very very "important"

People know that some behavioral characters are transmitted genetically? because that is also very important.

A dog can be beautiful but if a dog is fearful in the ring ....

And in this race is very important this detail