Misleading article about Hybrids and Wolfdogs

hanninadina · 17-11-2009, 19:57

Before you discuss in a not objectiv way please read this

http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pet...a-wolfdogs.pdf

and the dog attack from Merrit Clifton

http://www.tegenpitjes.info/biblioth...lifton2008.pdf

If you read and understand what there is written you will understand why in great britain it is allowed to have wolfdogs from F 3 up.

Every csw is more aggressiv than a normal american wolfdog. Sorry to say, what Richardson say, that they are more social is absolutely right. And he expresses directly that in the right place, with the right people and in the right environment! That means clearly that wolfdogs are not for everyone!

And sorry to say "hybrids" do not attack adults. And with children you never should let a child alone. I have one example the danish dog from Heinz Rudolf Kunze a famous german singer and song writer killed in 1998 the 3 year old child from a friend who did know the dog perfectly and even the child!

In Cliftons dog attack you can see, that breeds like american pit bull, rottweiler or the northern breeds (malamute, husky, chowchow) killed quite more people than hybrids! And they do kill everything: adults and children!

So if you keep the children save there will be no problem! I am sorry to say I have no problems with my two csw but I have less problems with my american wolfdog! And all people I know who have american wolfdogs do have the same experiences!

The people in great britain had very experienced professors who did work and live with over hundreds wolfdogs and dozens of wolves and they all state that from F3 up you will have a dog.

Please remember we do have here - may be not now - F 4 csw like Kondor. And of course all we know he is (was) an aggressiv wolfdog hybrid! But the aggressivness did come from german shepard and not from the wolf!

Christian

Joswolf · 17-11-2009, 21:41

Most adult and socialised wolves do attack people who misbehave. All the socialised wolves are difficult to let strange people savely in the fences.
Wolfhybrides can attack as well. Some weeks ago some did in Holland and are taken away now. So I do not agree that socialised wolves are harmless. Likely F1 are also not harmless. You should not act as if it's easy becouse it is not.
Jos

Rona · 17-11-2009, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joswolf

Most adult and socialised wolves do attack people who misbehave. All the socialised wolves are difficult to let strange people savely in the fences.
Wolfhybrides can attack as well. Some weeks ago some did in Holland and are taken away now. So I do not agree that socialised wolves are harmless. Likely F1 are also not harmless. You should not act as if it's easy becouse it is not.
Jos

I consider humans to be defninitely less harmless than dogs or wolfdogs

Just take statistics and study violence rates in any society...

Joswolf · 18-11-2009, 10:59

And a bad article. Quote, "These are sarloos, from a cross between a timber wolf and a German shepherd".
Was it to much trouble to get good info about the Saarloos. It was a European Wolf.
Jos

tikaani · 18-11-2009, 16:58

I quite agree, it is a missleading article and dose no breeds any good. like any dog wolfdogs have the portential to atack, that is were good ownership and upraising comes in. i have to kids and i have never had a problem, BUT i also wouldnt leave mine alone with my kids, thats just bad parenting and askin for trouble, and as for charging £5000 for a wolfdog , thats just rediculas if its true very greedy. the problem is all the crossing with high performance dogs like inuits i think, having hyper dogs crossed with any sort of wolfdog is askin for trouble in my opinion....

Joswolf · 18-11-2009, 17:02

Qoute- i also wouldnt leave mine alone with my kids, thats just bad parenting and askin for trouble
I don't agree here. I let my Saarloos wolfdogs without ane problems allone with my kids.
Jos

tikaani · 18-11-2009, 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joswolf

Qoute- i also wouldnt leave mine alone with my kids, thats just bad parenting and askin for trouble
I don't agree here. I let my Saarloos wolfdogs without ane problems allone with my kids.
Jos

i wouldnt leave my kids with any sort of dog on there own, there only 7 and a year old and wouldnt be fair on them or the dogs, would be to easy for them to hurt the dogs, and although i doubt the dogs would retaliate, why take the chance. besides whith articles like this at the mo, could you amagin if the dog did, even if it was just a nip or scratch when playin, the media would go crazzy. better to be safe then sorry at the mo, and with all the cross breeding goin on here with inuits and sellin them left and right to any one, some of us have to be responcible

Margo · 17-11-2009, 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanninadina

And of course all we know he is (was) an aggressiv wolfdog hybrid!

One question: DID YOU EVER MEET KONDOR? Do you really know what are you talking about?

Sorry but I know this dog and I met him several times. All you can say about him is that he is a dog doing perfectly him work - doing this what the dogs was trained for....

17-11-2009, 19:57	#1
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Before you discuss in a not objectiv way please read this http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pet...a-wolfdogs.pdf and the dog attack from Merrit Clifton http://www.tegenpitjes.info/biblioth...lifton2008.pdf If you read and understand what there is written you will understand why in great britain it is allowed to have wolfdogs from F 3 up. Every csw is more aggressiv than a normal american wolfdog. Sorry to say, what Richardson say, that they are more social is absolutely right. And he expresses directly that in the right place, with the right people and in the right environment! That means clearly that wolfdogs are not for everyone! And sorry to say "hybrids" do not attack adults. And with children you never should let a child alone. I have one example the danish dog from Heinz Rudolf Kunze a famous german singer and song writer killed in 1998 the 3 year old child from a friend who did know the dog perfectly and even the child! In Cliftons dog attack you can see, that breeds like american pit bull, rottweiler or the northern breeds (malamute, husky, chowchow) killed quite more people than hybrids! And they do kill everything: adults and children! So if you keep the children save there will be no problem! I am sorry to say I have no problems with my two csw but I have less problems with my american wolfdog! And all people I know who have american wolfdogs do have the same experiences! The people in great britain had very experienced professors who did work and live with over hundreds wolfdogs and dozens of wolves and they all state that from F3 up you will have a dog. Please remember we do have here - may be not now - F 4 csw like Kondor. And of course all we know he is (was) an aggressiv wolfdog hybrid! But the aggressivness did come from german shepard and not from the wolf! Christian

17-11-2009, 21:41	#2
Joswolf Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 757	Most adult and socialised wolves do attack people who misbehave. All the socialised wolves are difficult to let strange people savely in the fences. Wolfhybrides can attack as well. Some weeks ago some did in Holland and are taken away now. So I do not agree that socialised wolves are harmless. Likely F1 are also not harmless. You should not act as if it's easy becouse it is not. Jos

18-11-2009, 10:59	#4
Joswolf Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 757	And a bad article. Quote, "These are sarloos, from a cross between a timber wolf and a German shepherd". Was it to much trouble to get good info about the Saarloos. It was a European Wolf. Jos

18-11-2009, 16:58	#5
tikaani Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bedfordshire Posts: 117	I quite agree, it is a missleading article and dose no breeds any good. like any dog wolfdogs have the portential to atack, that is were good ownership and upraising comes in. i have to kids and i have never had a problem, BUT i also wouldnt leave mine alone with my kids, thats just bad parenting and askin for trouble, and as for charging £5000 for a wolfdog , thats just rediculas if its true very greedy. the problem is all the crossing with high performance dogs like inuits i think, having hyper dogs crossed with any sort of wolfdog is askin for trouble in my opinion....

18-11-2009, 17:02	#6
Joswolf Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 757	Qoute- i also wouldnt leave mine alone with my kids, thats just bad parenting and askin for trouble I don't agree here. I let my Saarloos wolfdogs without ane problems allone with my kids. Jos