Responsible breeding - health

[admin]

Originally Posted by solowolf

we have been removed from breeders listings and our flag also removed, from previous posts the uk breeders have been offended and now black listed by moderators on wolfdog.org.

NONE of the UK breeders have been offended. The steps were done because of missing responsibility of some breeders who we selling the puppies telling they are FULLY registered and FULLY recognized while CzW is not registered by KC till now. Simply said - we can not advertise puppies which are "non-breeds" for FCI.

If it is true and the breed will get recognition from KC the breeders who are KC-registered will return on the breeders list.

WITH ONE EXCEPTION: there will be NO ADVERTISING for breeders of any kind of mixes and nonbreeds with pedigrees.

We do not advertise here kennels:

- which mix and register Saarloos-Czechoslovakian Wolfdog mixes

- which use lines where appear the offsprings of the mix
Dark (priv. Locchi) who was registered by ENCI with the false parents names. And it doesn't matter in ANY GENERATION the dog will appear

- which own and use for breeding the nonbreeds know as Mutaras (Ave Lupo ---Mutara--, Audrey Lupo ---Mutara--- and Ares Lupo ---Mutara---)

- which own and/or use for breeding any nonbreeds and their offsprings coming from the S- Passo del Lupo litter: Selly Passo del Lupo, Sakim Passo del Lupo, Sam Passo del Lupo, Sangria Passo del Lupo, Sanika Passo del Lupo and Seiko Passo del Lupo.


REASON: There is no advertising and soon the future puppy buyers will be warned not to buy any puppies from this lines and kennels because the litter S-Passo del Lupo, Dark and Mutaras were officially BANNED by the Slovak Club and recognized as NON-BREEDS!!!!
Because it is not possible to count with the national kennel clubs and for example ENCI seems nothing wrong in registering mutts as purebreed dogs it was needed to make additional steps and protect the CzW genepool.

So NONE of these dogs and NONE of their offsprings will EVER be registered by the breed club in Slovakia (and also Czech breed club) and it will be not ALLOWED to import or breed ANY offsprings of these dogs EVEN if the nonbredd will be in 20-, 30 or 100- generation.

We will also not advertise ANY kennels which mix Czechoslovakian Wolfdog with other breeds or wolves and advertise the puppies as "Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs" which is so common in UK...

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Admin

- which use lines where appear the offsprings of the mix
Dark (priv. Locchi) who was registered by ENCI with the false parents names. And it doesn't matter in ANY GENERATION the dog will appear

- which own and use for breeding the nonbreeds know as Mutaras (Ave Lupo ---Mutara--, Audrey Lupo ---Mutara--- and Ares Lupo ---Mutara---)

- which own and/or use for breeding any nonbreeds and their offsprings coming from the S- Passo del Lupo litter: Selly Passo del Lupo, Sakim Passo del Lupo, Sam Passo del Lupo, Sangria Passo del Lupo, Sanika Passo del Lupo and Seiko Passo del Lupo.


REASON: There is no advertising and soon the future puppy buyers will be warned not to buy any puppies from this lines and kennels because the litter S-Passo del Lupo, Dark and Mutaras were officially BANNED by the Slovak Club and recognized as NON-BREEDS!!!

Just a small question on the above, way are this dogs in the CsV database at all ??? when they are not of the CsV breed ???

Very best regards / Mikael

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

I think it is good that you can find them there. They have been used for breeding or may be in future. As long as they are in the database it is possible to find out the origin of their offspring.

[Hanka]

Przemek (or Margo), you forgot Fenrir Foresta Incantata.

[GalomyOak]

So...a quick question...not to cause any problems, or start arguments...only from my ignorance...and "education"

I am aware of the PDL S-Litter and Mutara project...I was not aware of Dark...is this dog also a mix, or were there only some problems with his registration?

I'm only curious because I saw this litter advertised in which Dark appears in the pedigree:
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/1051.html

When the Slovakian club doesn't recognize a pedigree, does that mean the FCI won't register the dog/litter, or can this line be registered in other countries?

[SERENA]

Somebody Knows the real origin of Dark, if these are wrong?
Thank you

[Hanka]

Is too much "black things" in breeding of our wolfdogs. But if don´t exist DNA tests for all dogs, we can do nothing against it.....
Ask slovak club, they are garant of breed..............
Or: you can ask during world show in Bratislava, there will be time on wolfdogmeeting.

[massimo]

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

I'm only curious because I saw this litter advertised in which Dark appears in the pedigree:
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/1051.html

WOW...what a sharp eye!!
now also "les plaines de l'est" must have their litters censored!
Witchhunt!!

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

When the Slovakian club doesn't recognize a pedigree, does that mean the FCI won't register the dog/litter, or can this line be registered in other countries?

Slovak club has NO power on pedigrees outside Slovakia...
and if you look on the stats page:
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/dbase/stats.html
during the last 3 years slovakia produced only 1.57% of total CSW dogs...
so they have practically NO power at all.

By the way Margo...I wonder if we could see number of dogs born by year and by kennel (the most active ones...) we could see some very interesting numbers... big wolfdog producers...

[Margo]

Originally Posted by massimo

Witchhunt!!

Please do not forget we are breeding PUREBREED dogs whos origin is known from the beggining. There is no place for mixes breeders. If someone is not able to breed PUREBREED dog such person MUST be hunted...

Why? Expecially because of such cases like the litter from kennel "les plaines de l'est" who is now just a viction that there was no information about the mixes published officialy... The breeder buyed a female of Italian origin and was SURE it is a PUREBREED Czechoslovakian Wolfdog (V'wayta von den Wächter der Krone) and had NO IDEA about the cheated pedigree... Everybody in Italy knows Dark is a wolfdog imported from USA and not a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. And none of the serious breeders was using its blood... But nobody else knew it.... I think it should be stopped already in that time... BUT how to ask Italian CzW Club if exactly main officals breed or own nonbreeds there?


ANYWAY: As a Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs breeder I'm really happy about the new rules given by the new Wolfdog.org-Admin... Maybe it will finally stop the mutt-breeding and the non-breeds will no more spread around in the population. I really don't want to be surprised by the fact when slovak breeding comittee will not allow me to cover my female or bonitate her in Slovakia only because her father would come from one of the "hidden" Italian /or French or ..../ mixed lines... No - for me it is not a witch hunt but smething which should be done already YEARS AGO...

Originally Posted by massimo

Slovak club has NO power on pedigrees outside Slovakia...

You are right... Outside Slovakia and Czech Republic the breeders are allowed to cheat, register dogs with falsed pedigrees, make unknown mixes and use this non-breeds for breeding... BUT SLOVAKIA is the country of origin and I think they choosed the right wayx because at least there the lines will be CLEAR... free of blood of unknown dogs... At least there we will be able toi cover our females and be sure there puppies will be not "mutts with pedigrees"....

Originally Posted by massimo

and if you look on the stats page:
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/dbase/stats.html
during the last 3 years slovakia produced only 1.57% of total CSW dogs...
so they have practically NO power at all.

You are wrong...

Look on Slovakia - BUT NOT on the number of dogs born in Slovakia but look on their INFLUENCE (two of YOUR own dogs are not from Hungary and Germany but are PURE Slovak dogs )... In the fact most of the puppies born in Poland, Germany, Hungary, Holland and France are PURE Czecho-Slovakian lines (read: with SURE MIXES-FREE pedigrees).

Now compare it to the influence of Italian dogs? Sure there biggest amount of dogs are born in Italy but surprising exactly Italian dogs have NO INFLUENCE on the European population of CzW. Sure people from abroad breed with Italian dogs but they use SURE CzechoSovakian-lines (for example Arimminum kennel)... The only kennels which use the "true Italian dogs from kennel breeding nonbreeds" are 1 kennel in France and 1 kennel in Czech Republic...Why...? The answer you can find in Hankas post... because others are AFFRAID - because of the Mutara mixes and unhonest breeders the people from Czech Republic and Slovakia are simply AFFRAID to cover or import ANY dogs from Italy... Because of 2-3 NON-breed loves and mixes breeders from Italy surffer the other REALLY GOOD BREEDERS....

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by massimo

WOW...what a sharp eye!!
now also "les plaines de l'est" must have their litters censored!
Witchhunt!!

As I said in the last post...I was not trying to start fights...or arguments...or problems. It was honestly a question of curiosity - and that is all. And yes, I do look closely at each litter - for me it is very interesting how the breed evolves, and why breeders make the breeding decisions they do - the decisions made now - good or bad - are the ones that will impact the dogs we own in the future. I was not trying to make a judgement...only to learn. I am very new to all of this, and also very far removed from being as involved as those living in Europe are able to be - I guess I still have some naive questions. I do apologize for any problems I may have caused.

Marcy