Winners of shows

[Hanka]

Hello Vicky, please read about this breed more. It was made like working breed. Thear character is not closed wolves. In standart is nothing about shynnes. Shy wolfdog = bad wolfdog.
Jasmine (Edit Molnar), please don´t write about me, I don´t it too. Thanks

In my first article could to be some other fotos too, because on much shows in the world I can see similar fotos. Winner of show with tail under stomach. Very good imagine of our breed.
It is not saarlos, it is czechosl. wolfdog. Much owners, breedes forgot it and much of them don´t know first idea for making of this breed.
But it is always the same. Breeding without bonitations, breeding without selection, every wolfdog is good for breeding.................But it is so easy and good for producing of pups. I am not suprised.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hello Vicky, please read about this breed more. It was made like working breed. Thear character is not closed wolves. In standart is nothing about shynnes. Shy wolfdog = bad wolfdog.
Jasmine (Edit Molnar), please don´t write about me, I don´t it too. Thanks

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Vicky didn´t write about charakter but about temperament and I think what she ment was body language. I very often have seen the situation that somebody thought a wolfdog is afraid of something because it´s tail was down and maybe a little bit curled to the inside, knowing these dogs in daily life I know they aren´t shy at all, they haven´t been afraid, they simply didn´t like this special situation in this very moment but passed it without any problems. The reason for this is that they show more body-expressions of their emotional status than a normal dog, simply because they are still able to show it anatomically. The human taste in bodyshapes has robbed every breed of a lot of it´s ability to show body-signals out of anatomical reasons. It has nothing to do with charakter it is only a lack of body function.
Being used to wolves and working with them every day I do see that already our breed has lost some of this language, seeing hundreds of dogs of all breeds every year I can see that they still show a lot more signals than other breeds. The latter is the problem in judging for people that aren´t used to wolves that much but used to other breeds.
One of my dogs won´t carry it´s tail high all the time on an exhibition and very likely will carry it down on a podium because she doesn´t like to sit in noisy surroundings being bored all day. She is able to do several week old cartrails through the center of a very big city through heavy traffic over several kilometers and has proofed so several times. I can surely say she is a true working dog even if she may carry her tail down on a podium.
Dogs can´t be judged on charakter out of one very special situation.

Ina

[jasmine]

I would like to pay your attention Hanka (Kaufmanova), that to write bad things and put bad pictures in an open forum is not too ethical and not too intelligent things.
And this is not the first time from you.

This is exactly what I was saying. I know full well that shyness is a trait that should be excluded from the breed, but I'm saying that this is a quality that should always be judged while actually, physically, in front of the dog. I am in no way confusing CsVs with wolves, I see the same exaggerated body language every day with my siberian husky, as well as others that I have worked with, and the behavior is constantly misinterpreted by people who don't understand this language.

The way I see it, a dog is allowed a photo or two in one instant where something in the situation made them unsure. However, if this shyness is a dog's normal state, and there ISN'T a time the dog is confident, then THAT is the dog that should be disqualified.

I'm not commenting here or there on the dog posted in this thread, because I don't know the dog. However, I am commenting on the use of one photo to judge a dog's character.

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Vicky didn´t write about charakter but about temperament and I think what she ment was body language. I very often have seen the situation that somebody thought a wolfdog is afraid of something because it´s tail was down and maybe a little bit curled to the inside, knowing these dogs in daily life I know they aren´t shy at all, they haven´t been afraid, they simply didn´t like this special situation in this very moment but passed it without any problems. The reason for this is that they show more body-expressions of their emotional status than a normal dog, simply because they are still able to show it anatomically. The human taste in bodyshapes has robbed every breed of a lot of it´s ability to show body-signals out of anatomical reasons. It has nothing to do with charakter it is only a lack of body function.
Being used to wolves and working with them every day I do see that already our breed has lost some of this language, seeing hundreds of dogs of all breeds every year I can see that they still show a lot more signals than other breeds. The latter is the problem in judging for people that aren´t used to wolves that much but used to other breeds.
One of my dogs won´t carry it´s tail high all the time on an exhibition and very likely will carry it down on a podium because she doesn´t like to sit in noisy surroundings being bored all day. She is able to do several week old cartrails through the center of a very big city through heavy traffic over several kilometers and has proofed so several times. I can surely say she is a true working dog even if she may carry her tail down on a podium.
Dogs can´t be judged on charakter out of one very special situation.

Ina

[massimo]

Edit, Hanka, if you have personal issues you might want to clarify them in private...otherwise it becomes boring for us, sorry.

As for that dog, surely to see a dog with tail under belly is not nice, but if the tail under belly was not the usual position of the dog but just one moment, then a moment is not important to judge a character of a dog.

I've seen Alud personally and I can assure you I can find thousands of dogs shyer and with a worst character than her.
Maybe she's not a lion, but definitely NOT a negative example for our breed.

Massimo

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Hi,

what was the intention of this thread anyway?
I've seen dozens, probably more dogs behaving like this in certain situations they didn't like through the years.
Dogs from every country and every breeder.
I've seen dogs during the bonitation trembling and tail under the belly while measured, but receiving an Of in the character test.
And I've seen dogs perfectly trained for dog shows, but not able to cope with everyday situations.
Old and well known stories, so again, whats the intention?
And by the way, as everyone already wrote, you can't judge the character of a dog by one picture on internet

Michael

[Nebulosa]

So far I think it have something to do with the fakt that Alud is winning some dogshows, probably only because she have a handler well know world wide also by the judges.

its nothing new, as very fell judges know the breed in question for really make a judgement.

[massimo]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

So far I think it have something to do with the fakt that Alud is winning some dogshows, probably only because she have a handler well know world wide also by the judges.
its nothing new, as very fell judges know the breed in question for really make a judgement.

I really don't like this comment...sorry but I think you should have thought a couple of seconds before writing it...
I am NOT a friend of the owner of Alud... so I try to be as objective as possible.
I don't care about the shows she won in Switzerland and Greece and Lithuania and Slovenia...but Alud also won BOB at Special Club Show in Bratislava with Oskar Dora...
Maybe Oskar Dora is not good judge enough?? Maybe Oskar Dora sees only the handler and not the dog? maybe Oskar Dora cannot tell a shy dog from a normal one?
Please...I think this thread has no need to continue...
massimo