Italian bonitations

[massimo]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hi Massimo,
for who was your questions? I can answer a few your questions, if you want. But only few, because I will not speak about other clubs, countries....
-czech breeder CAN use italian dog, but nobody (mybe 1? ) do it, because we don´t belive italian breeding. We knows about italian kennels, where is something in pedigree and something in reall..... And: people here don´t belive italian results of HD.
-czech breeders use slovak males, because we keep genopool of breed. We want have much males in every bloodgroup. Slovak breeders use czech males only sometimes. Genopool of slovak population is in this moment "before colaps".They lost much "blood". But you must ask about it leadrers of slovak breeding. I have only my personal list of males in every blood group. Not oficial.
- on czech bonitations are figurants more agressiv during test of character- of course. But in second part of test is figurat (or group of people) friendly to dog. Simply- we want see every dog in diferent situations. It is, why dog is in one moment with owner and later without owner. It is level, what we want keep. If some countries have friendly figurant, not our problem.......... But I think, it is not test of character. It is, why we don´t accept results of bonitations from other countries for czech breeding dogs.
And last: I see big diferents between czech bonitations and bonitations in other countries. (Unfortunatelly I have not video).
my english is not so good for explain of all, what I mean, sorry ))

Thank you Hanka.
All the facts you wrote correspond to my thoughts.
Your personal ideas do not 100%, but life is wonderful because we are different!
I can show you xrays and measurements of my official HD results...so saying you do NOT believe in Italian HD results is really vague for me.
Look at xrays and judge for yourself or get an expert to do it!

You beileve in Polish, Slovak, Hungarian HD results?

I think it doesn't matter "how hard" the character test is done: a good judge will be able to value the reaction of the dog in ANY case!
That is what Sonja told me and I believe her.

Again...i think it is all a matter of "political affairs and personal dislikes".. with less of this...the breed would be easier to control!

This is a video of last year's bonitation in Hronec (sk)

http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...1273_WMVV9.flv

the dog is Gorbi zlata Palz...the only male dog to get P1...most of the others were penalized because of their character...
Sonja Bognarova was the judge.
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/147.html

[Hanka]

Hi hi, I belive only what I see on my own eyes .
I will not comment this test of character , I prefer a little diferent test.
But it is always the same "problem" a few years. Very different conditions for breeding dogs in all World.
I like czech HD research. The veterinar doctor must write much dates on paperf A4 format and he MUST measure it. Everybody can read much about hips of every wolfdog. I would like all clubs in Evropa will have the same paper for all veterinars in evropa. It can be first step for the same way of researching of HIPs. It is easy.We can copy it and send to all clubs. and: every veterinar send ALL (!!!!) results to oficial club. So nobody can breed without oficial HD.
But you are right : 1000 people has 1000 ideas, because everybody is different.
Have a nice summer. If you will be in Czech, visit me

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by massimo

This is a video of last year's bonitation in Hronec (sk)

http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...1273_WMVV9.flv

Thank you Massimo

To me this proves that one bonitation is not better/worse than another and the whole discussion about which bonitation is valid and which is not, is absolutly useless, as non of the bonitations in the 3 countries in subject are the same.

I can only agree with you that it is all about "political affairs and personal dislikes" ...which is a shame for the breed

[mijke]

hhmmmmm... If it is political or not...I think everybody of you are right in a part.. But everybody has to realise there is also a big difference in accepting breed behaviour and dog behaviour in all the different countries!!

In my country we have a new (volunteer) behaviour test: the TOP test and I was on the first try outs with several breeds… It is to complicated to explain what is the all about and what is the difference with the before MAG test. But I can assure you that not one dog that did get P1 or P3 in Bonitation (in consideration behaviour) will succeed for this test!
(by the way I am still doubting to do this test with my CsW with Fo for behaviour in official Bonitation, but till today I am scared what the results means in the TOP test in my country for the CsW breed in future)

The differences in European countries what to accept or not about dogs and what is acceptable dog behaviour is more then huge!!!!
In my crowded country it is simple only normal that you will get a sign of police when your dog is for example only barging in your own garden. When I was the first time in SK, CZ, PL, Hu and Italy , I was surprised that there it was obligated that dogs were guarding there private garden with barking and growling

So how the hell we then can expect that Bonitations and other tests about behaviour and defence of dogs in every European country can be the same and accepted?

I did choose years ago to import a CsW from CZ and not to buy one from Dutch lines (and till today I am still very glad with this, the breeder, and the Reolup line!! )But…… in my country are this kind of CsW’s with a bit explosive, very active and independence behaviour not common…But I like my female very much especially because of her behaviour and her drive to want to do things with me but also because her very open and friendly behaviour to strange and unknown people for her. . (she has a spirit to work, but I admit I use this not enough ) But in Holland I hear a lot of negative comments about this female….. Even one of the owners of her offspring did tell she wants not to breed because this female has “the same bad character as her mother” (explosive, active and always wants to dominate other females)

And when all these kind of things are happening in European countries, why we can think a Bonitation in all countries can be the same and accepted by everyone ????

But don’t misunderstand me… when I did want now to buy as starter a new CsW , the parents should to have at least a good result of a SK or CZ Bonitation result )))))))))))))))