DNA tests and Laboratories

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Thanks Mijke and Ina

Ina, Did they need the x-ray photo as well or just the official result and blood ???

They need the official result - if possible the detailed one - or the x-ray, plus the pedigree and the blood.

Originally Posted by Mikael

Can they do the HD and ED at the same time ???

There is a working test for GSD that has to be varified for other breeds, the test exists, it´s the same like with the Dwarf test. They work on a test for ED and Epilepsy, when this exists they could do all on the same time. It is possible that I can arrange ED as well but I think we have not enough dogs for that, if your dog has an ED-result like mine do it is surely good to send it with the HD stuff because they could use it someday and they will store the blood.

Originally Posted by Mikael

Do they have a min month time for the x-ray result, as min 18 month for a female and 24 month for a male to get a true and exact result ???

They didn´t mention that, they wanted an official result.

Originally Posted by Mikael

Is there any interest from other owners to do eye DNA tests as well ???
And if one have a DNA eye test, is it valid for life and no need to do new eye tests as PRA and more... before every litter ???


Best regards / Mikael

The eye test is future and I don´t think we have enough dogs for that there are only very few dogs with Glaukoma I know of.
What the breed organisations use the tests for is on their behalf. You still need an HD-x-ray at the moment but you can use the genetic test for judging possible pairings, find out HD-free dogs that have a high amount of HD-genes and so on

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Ina

It is possible that I can arrange ED as well but I think we have not enough dogs for that, if your dog has an ED-result like mine do it is surely good to send it with the HD stuff because they could use it someday and they will store the blood

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OK thanks

I have 0 tests this far as Hronec is under 24 month, but next month he is and I will do the HD and ED...

When do you think they/you will be ready to receive the blood samples and x-rays... I think I will get my official results first after the summer...

Regards / Mikael

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

I will translate the official homepage with the forms you need to send to them. This whole test-validation will take more time than summer so don´t worry.
But anyway there is no sense in everybody sending everything directly to the laboratory without coordination what was the reason for asking people who are interested to contact me. Because the lines and pedigrees are important and they want this database readyly collected.
It seems that at least one German Club started thinking about coordinating the datas and work for this test now so if this happens to be there will be a ready computerprogram for the database that can be used what would make the things easier.
If not I will follow Mijkes example (who already offered her help) and do it by myself what might be faster in the beginning and gets things moving as we could see with the Dwarf test and I don´t want to wait any longer, this is not necessary at this point, they need blood of different dogs and lines that´s all.

Ina

[canislupus]

The german club already started collecting detailed informations and making plans how to manage the datas and the validation !!!

Tanja

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

That is nice to hear now after talking about it so many times and giving you the informations of the university. I will send my collected datas to you as soon as you give me the adress to give it to.
At least something is moving. Do you want me to translate everything in English or are you doing it?
So it is still possible to contact me as said before, I will make sure that everything goes to the right adresses and places.

[Nebelwölfe]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

That is nice to hear now after talking about it so many times and giving you the informations of the university.

In fact - the German Club is involved with it since it was known in Germany, that tests are done - thus as long as you are involved in it . You just got the actual informations one day earlier than we got , since Tanja tried to call the university up the last few days - but didn't have time to call yesterday A lot of information we had gathered already from the university's website - we just hadn't talked to the person in charge personally so far.

You talked about it on the Englisch Forum - but neither on the German ones nor with any of the clubs - although the tests are in Germany and the German dogs should be involved in first line for the 24 blood tests?

I think, that this is a big project, which for all the breeders and the clubs need to work together to get reasonable results - so that we can reach something useful. It is no sense in only a few single persons acting in such a big project as HD-tests - it will not bring us the needed success.

Besides the 200 dogs that are needed for the examinations, the results of all the testings, also the ones that have to be done furtheron, will have to be handeled in a trustworthy way and recorded in a database, so the breeders and breeding commissions do have the neccessary informations.

It is a project, which will have to be set up internationally, if it should be of value for the whole race in all countries.

Petra

[Hanka]

hello Ina,
It is a pity, you don´t know price (best price ) in this moment. I could offer it to all czech owners too. But when I tell them 300Euro in this moment, they will not want to do it. If the price will be better, I think some poeple will want to do it. I can offer my own dogs too, but not 300 .
Hanka

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by littlepeet

In fact - the German Club is involved with it since it was known in Germany, that tests are done - thus as long as you are involved in it . You just got the actual informations one day earlier than we got , since Tanja tried to call the university up the last few days - but didn't have time to call yesterday A lot of information we had gathered already from the university's website - we just hadn't talked to the person in charge personally so far.

You talked about it on the Englisch Forum - but neither on the German ones nor with any of the clubs - although the tests are in Germany and the German dogs should be involved in first line for the 24 blood tests?

Sorry, but this is unneccessary and not in favor of the breed, you all knew I was going to get this moving and didn´t inform me, Tanja even did answer on me in this Forum. I think we all should work together on this and the most important thing communicate! Who did what is unimportant politics.
And why should the German dogs only be involved on the first tests? The more different lines the better! As I already told you did the person responsible for this test see no major problem in foreign HD-tests who should know best. At least when we come to the 200 dogs we need international help.

Originally Posted by littlepeet

I think, that this is a big project, which for all the breeders and the clubs need to work together to get reasonable results - so that we can reach something useful. It is no sense in only a few single persons acting in such a big project as HD-tests - it will not bring us the needed success.

Besides the 200 dogs that are needed for the examinations, the results of all the testings, also the ones that have to be done furtheron, will have to be handeled in a trustworthy way and recorded in a database, so the breeders and breeding commissions do have the neccessary informations.

It is a project, which will have to be set up internationally, if it should be of value for the whole race in all countries.

Petra

As I already told you on ther German Club Forum: The University is handling the data and is known as extremly trustworthy and everybody who needs it will get the informations. We now at the moment talk about creating a test for this breed that doesn´t exist till know. It is a big project that needs help of every owner and breeder worldwide it is as simple as that and when this test exists the breeding clubs are asked to work together and find a possibility to share the information and use it for breeding programs and not at least think about finances.
When you are willing to use the Club database for gathering all informations that would be great because it is a terrible lot of work without a programm for one person and I don´t yell for it. But if this is used for Club politics of a small Club with little to say or decide within the National Kennel Club I am concerned about sharing information, it obviously didn´t work till this point already. But as I told you before I will give every information needed that is going to my adress to you to create the database needed for the test as soon as you give me the place to send it too.

Ina