Stud dogs - IMPORTANT!!!!

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Mikael, about ofsprings, i think if dog be good he mas have more litter, see in reality, we have interesing dogs but not have male to mate from this dogs, ok he cann have 50 pupps but when we have only 2 ... male from this same mothers to mate- for me this is bad, and better when dog have 100 pupps and more not 2 male to breed from others mother.
when i have bitch i see this problem, maybe when you have first breed steps and you see this problem.
better check not ofspring but dogs who have breed licenze - and you see others pictures.

about bonitaton- i think first mas make all with HD - later with this not all country cann this make when have 1-10 dogs, ok in LT i cann this make - have judnge category, but if not be, not all people cann travel like maniaks (yes we be ) to SK 1300 km only to make bonitation, or young club not have this money to pay judge to travel this same way.

make all in steps - first HD, latter ohers.

If a breeder can travel to mate they can travel to Bonitate !!!

The stud dogs are in my apenion to be Bonitateted as they are to be the future of are breed, do we really wont them to be P14 stud dogs

And NO !!! I will newer think taking over 50 offspring is good on a breed this smal !!!

Regards / Mikael

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Mikael

If a breeder can travel to mate they can travel to Bonitate !!!

The stud dogs are in my apenion to be Bonitateted as they are to be the future of are breed, do we really wont them to be P14 stud dogs

And NO !!! I will newer think taking over 50 offspring is good on a breed this smal !!!

Regards / Mikael

Mikael, if only bonitated dogs' offsprings will get pedigrees, there will be a big threat to the breed. Yes, I also would like all the wolfdogs to be bonitated, but we have to be realistic... Maybe we need to wait for 10 more years or so...

[wolfin]

Mikael, ok make in this method-
i have bitch and me interesing this dogs: Tambury z Rosikova, Gaius Dor, Dark Trencan. I wish make linie with this males and mas have reproductor from not this same bitch.
ok thake me rep list, please say hes sohn names who i cann mate, or, ok grandsohn- please thake me name dogs who have breeding licenze.
i wait.

and i say this same like Vaiva- mas make all in steps method, ok You now be pioner and fanat in your country, but when have moore people see others situation. I living more year with CSW and have new people like me friend who have CSW and know - I cann going to SK make bonitation but others not all cann. Think realistic please.

[Mikael]

I do not mean that all CsV that get mated need to have a Bonitation,
I only think that the ones that are on the Stud Dog list here on Wolfdog.org are to be,
just like the Stud dogs in CZ and SL.

And especially the ones that take many many offspring’s,
and will effect the breed allot in the future...

Very best regards / Mikael

[wolfin]

hej, not speak about "peace in world", but antswer in me concret question and speak about concret situation.
p.s. when i be younger and I think similar, but yet know who be real situation

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by wolfin

hej, not speak about "peace in world", but antswer in me concret question and speak about concret situation.
p.s. when i be younger and I think similar, but yet know who be real situation

I do not speak of a impossible thing here I just say I think ALL Stud dogs
are to have a Bonitation code, if you think differently it is up to you.

But as I did say, if a breeder can travel long way to mate I do not se any reasen way they can not travel to Bonitate, and now I´m talking about Europe (inkluding the UK) not N & S America, I understand they will not Bonitate and have there own list of Studs...

Best regards / Mikael

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Mikael

I do not speak of a impossible thing here I just say I think ALL Stud dogs are to have a Bonitation code, if you think differently it is up to you.

I agree with admin... If we will add bonitation I think before we have to add as requirement also ED-results (because it is about health), any working results (because it is about the character) and SVP1 made with the excellent note (because it is thebest check if the dog has typical body). Can someone check how many stud dogs will be still on the list if we will make it?

Mikael - bonitation is a GREAT thing but ONLY if it made by an EXPERT. In the last time there are people (even if the are CzW club judges) which make the BASIC faults during the judgement and have not the brightest idea how to make CORECT bonitation measurements. Sorry but in many cases the bonitation code is a parody. Says NOTHING about the dog... I can show you dogs which by an EXPERT will be P14 (disqualified) but get P1!!!!
WHEN we have more judges which really knows what the bonitation is about and there will be no need to travel 1000 or 2000km to make it... no problem... But so far we have to set up the rules which everybody can fulfil in his own country.