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[GalomyOak]

I think I got some answers from reading this post...

But...just to clarify, since I think things maybe different with this breed than other dogs, I'd like to hear some experiences and thoughts from people with experience

1. What seems to be typical for a CSV - coming into heat once a year, or twice a year...or every 8 months?

2. How long is a typical heat cycle in a CSV?

3. Are heat cycles affected by temperature/climate?

4. In other breeds, it is considered bad to breed during the first heat, but other breeds also come into heat much earlier (I think...my oldest CSV is 16 months, and still has not had hers...). Is it considered safe to breed with a first or second heat cycle with the CSV?

5. What is considered a "safe" age to do a first breeding with a female CSV (if health tests are clear)?

6. Is there a "normal" time between the first signs of bleeding, and when the female CSV will accept a male?

Thanks for any answers!
Marcy

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

I think I got some answers from reading this post...

But...just to clarify, since I think things maybe different with this breed than other dogs, I'd like to hear some experiences and thoughts from people with experience

1. What seems to be typical for a CSV - coming into heat once a year, or twice a year...or every 8 months?

mostly 8-12 month

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

2. How long is a typical heat cycle in a CSV?

It depends in my experience very much on a male dog in the family that is seen as a potential partner by the bitch. Then it is the normal 2,5-3 weeks. When there is none it can go over weeks without any pathological reasons. Saschias bitch was succesfully mated so obviously everything was physiological

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

3. Are heat cycles affected by temperature/climate?

Not very much more by other bitches in heat

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

4. In other breeds, it is considered bad to breed during the first heat, but other breeds also come into heat much earlier (I think...my oldest CSV is 16 months, and still has not had hers...). Is it considered safe to breed with a first or second heat cycle with the CSV?

I think you shouldn´t breed before they are fully grown, as some bitches don´t come into heat before they are 2-2,5 years old there is no reason not to mate them in their first heat then. I wouldn´t breed before the age of 2 depending on the bitch, she will be a better mother when she is adult. Our younger bitches always have been nannies of the puppies of the older ones and have had the opportunity to learn and all dogs care for the puppies of the actual litter I don´t think it is a good idea to mate them too early and without experience, the puppies learn very much of their mother and familiy, the mother has to be matured for being a full potential mother.

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

6. Is there a "normal" time between the first signs of bleeding, and when the female CSV will accept a male?

Our bitches are in this period around the 14th (Bschka) to the 20th day (Amy)

Ina

[mijke]

I am not a vet and I can only tell you my experiences as breeder (of several breed)

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

1. What seems to be typical for a CSV - coming into heat once a year, or twice a year...or every 8 months?

The most CsW I know between 8 and 13 months

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

2. How long is a typical heat cycle in a CSV?

I did see (and did hear of other breeders) a lot of differences in wolfdog breed. Some 2,5 weeks till even 6 weeks and even with 6 weeks a normal covering and pregnancy did follow! My own female always about 30 days (even when there was a male at home)

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

3. Are heat cycles affected by temperature/climate?

I really don’t know, but I did hear for example of a breeder in Israel her dog was in heat every 12 months. An other interesting thing I did discuss before with other breeders in CZ: in east Europe countries most females are in heat in autumn. But in west Europe a lot of them in later months (my female always in January/February)

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

4. In other breeds, it is considered bad to breed during the first heat, but other breeds also come into heat much earlier (I think...my oldest CSV is 16 months, and still has not had hers...). Is it considered safe to breed with a first or second heat cycle with the CSV?
5. What is considered a "safe" age to do a first breeding with a female CSV (if health tests are clear)?

I never mate a female (of any breed) the first heat. I always wait till they are more grown up. And then for a CsW it means sometimes first covering with 3 years.

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

6. Is there a "normal" time between the first signs of bleeding, and when the female CSV will accept a male?

Comparing with my other breed there is not a “normal” time with wolfdogs! My CsW female did accept the males between 25 and 28 days. And there was no difference if there was a male at home or not.

But I know a lot of case with “strange heats”, like for example a split heat, of wolfdogs (CsW and SWH) without any pathological reasons, but sometimes maybe physiological reasons. And sometimes the owner never find out what was the reason!

[wolfin]

Hi,

me bitch have 3 litters and who I see:
shes perod is 12-13 monts.
shes heat is (and shes daughter) about 3 monts for first blooding days.
for mate she be in end 3 monts and all thime when i mate she have healt litter from 7-8-9 pupps.
shes first heat be in 18 monts, shes daughter in 18-25 monts ( 2 diferenc litter)
i have in me house dogs, and see always first blooding days, and have a male, but to mating days be easy - he only chceck she and nothing, when be mating he be crazy about 1 weeks and in this week have mate and pupps.

me very like this heat type.

[martiou07]

hello, for my female, Deymah, heats are very complicated has to envisage. The first heavy bleeding started is its 2 years old, 1 week, then more nothing, to take again 1 month later, and for 3 months!!!!!!! The second heats arrived 2-3 month after, and this time lasted 1 month.
Then its last heats arrived 6-8 month afterwards, they lasted 1 month.
This time us made cover, the period of proestrus lasted 14 days, we carried out 3 cervical smears and 2 progesterone proportionings in order to determine the date of ovulation. Here are what passed at home with my bitch.

The mother of Deymah, Osa Hlas Divociny has heats every 8 month which last 3 months….

Already had this case there?

Afflicted for my English, i use a translator…

so long, Martial

[GalomyOak]

Thank you everyone, for your responses!

My GSD came into heat the other day (when I first wrote on this thread). She is like a clock every 6 months (she has never been bred), so I wondered if Anthea would soon be following her. And she did - her first heat started yesterday. I think it will be a long week for my poor male, Roni. He misses his women!

Now I think I have some idea of what to expect!

Marcy

[Vaiva]

Topic up

As we started talking about how bad it is to hide or just not to talk about the problems that CsW have... I want to talk about the problems with the reproductional system of some of our girls.
In my case, Brukne first went on heat being 23 months old (March 200 after staying for a week wit her sister. I wasn't planning to mate her on the first heat, so I didn't care too much about the progesteron levels or smth, just noticed, that males weren't too interested in her at that time. After a year she came on heat again. This time we were checking the progesteron and taking swabs, but it seemed, that she wasn't trying to ovulate. Finally, the vet said, she is not on heat anymore (it is a pitty, we didn't make a progesteron test then, because after ovulation - in case it happened but we missed one - it increases a lot). After that we gave her some ovarium compositum injections - it is a homeopatic medicine, helping with reproductive system. In autumn, we gave her some more of it and vitamins A and E, which should gently push her in going on heat. Nothing She started to "mark" outside sometimes, I made some progesteron tests, thinking, this could be a silent heat, but no, nothing. Echoscopy shows she is a healthy female, also she is in a good form, but living with no other dogs. Still she meets her male friend Argentinian dog nearly every day. We are waiting for another heat to come and really nervous we could miss the ovulation or that she will not ovulate again... And I know there are more bitches like Brukne (still her sisters, at least two of three, are having normal heats). Does anyone has any advices or comments, "recipes" or success stories in this case or similar situations? Thanks.