Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs-Australia

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by saschia

I would really try to at least import dogs which were judged by not only senior, but wolfdog-experienced judges, as suitable for further breeding.

It would be interessing, but unhaply the things not work like that.
I know really some cases of people wich ask help of a very famous, experienced judge for introduce a new breed in his country, and it not work like that, what I saw mostly times was people sending really bad dogs ( dogs wich none would buy on the original cuntry) to these far away people who ask for help, saying that those dogs are the best, good lined and so on.
I saw the introduction and the start of some new breeds here, I can garantee you, those that ask help of the club for get good dogs and advices only brings descarted dogs with the illusion of bring a good one "because club say it is", I saw also some champion with very important title for the breed coming, with the breeder thinking it would be a garantee of a good dog, and when the dogs arrive he was really non-standarded dog.. but titled.
In truth seems people from the origin country loves send dogs wich would be a suposedly "shame for a kennel" outside, maybe, as one way to hidden problems in his breeding.

[saschia]

That's why I said bonitated. If you buy bonitated dogs, you know what you are getting.

I personally don't approve of selling bad pups to countries for starting breeding there, but people are different. On the other hand, even if you sell a pup which has good parents and seems fine, it doesn't have to stay like that. Lots of times there is a champion in a litter and a poor dog in the same one. And with the growing etc. you never have a certainty.

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

It would be interessing, but unhaply the things not work like that.
I know really some cases of people wich ask help of a very famous, experienced judge for introduce a new breed in his country, and it not work like that, what I saw mostly times was people sending really bad dogs ( dogs wich none would buy on the original cuntry) to these far away people who ask for help, saying that those dogs are the best, good lined and so on.
I saw the introduction and the start of some new breeds here, I can garantee you, those that ask help of the club for get good dogs and advices only brings descarted dogs with the illusion of bring a good one "because club say it is", I saw also some champion with very important title for the breed coming, with the breeder thinking it would be a garantee of a good dog, and when the dogs arrive he was really non-standarded dog.. but titled.
In truth seems people from the origin country loves send dogs wich would be a suposedly "shame for a kennel" outside, maybe, as one way to hidden problems in his breeding.

why would people want to send bad dogs as the dogs sent would represent the breed, in Europe you health check dogs as in uk, but you also have bonitation code so it is up to you to give best advise to people on where to get good dogs from for export, the new dogs are an example of the breed and it is of utmost importance that they are very good examples of the breed. it would be madness to send bad dogs. i take no notice of champion status, its the dog i look at and whats behind it, the show world is same everywhere dogs that are in very small classes can become champion and then you have not the dog champion but who is on other end of lead rope, my friend is judge champion,,,,,,

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by solowolf

why would people want to send bad dogs as the dogs sent would represent the breed, in Europe you health check dogs as in uk, but you also have bonitation code so it is up to you to give best advise to people on where to get good dogs from for export, the new dogs are an example of the breed and it is of utmost importance that they are very good examples of the breed. it would be madness to send bad dogs. i take no notice of champion status, its the dog i look at and whats behind it, the show world is same everywhere dogs that are in very small classes can become champion and then you have not the dog champion but who is on other end of lead rope, my friend is judge champion,,,,,,

Because commonly they don't care for what is going on at other lands, principally far away ones, if the breeding have problems or not its not their problem if the breed in their country is fine, so, at end in truth exportations for some countries are only for send outside dogs wich they don't want, and I don't talk here only of introduct a new breed but about bring new lined dogs also.
I considere it madeness because I see non sense in it, I would never do something like that principally because I know how its difficult to bring dogs from outside, but its a sad truth in mostly cases.
For you have an idea, people here for years try to bring good european lined dobermann to my country, but mostly of the breeders give up because the are enough to pay a lot for a supposedly excelent puppie, and arrives a completly different one, sometimes even with different pedigree, so they use americans dobermanns not because its the nicer, but because is where they found honest breeders wich send what they promited.

Unhaply this isn't a far truth for CzW, I had already listen a lot of hystories wich can be confirmed of the same thing, people solding dogs of the "suposedly best litter of the year" when in truth it's a litter that only by the line itself nobody on the country wants have it, you can find even on our breed hole litters beging sold outside because it, for the breed this litter have no value and will not be selled easy on the origin countrie.

How many cases of good addult bonitated and X rayed dogs that was sold happen on CzW? I think we can count on our fingers, without talk about the value of those dogs, even because none will want to give away a good lined, interessing, bonitated and X rayed stud to a country so far away that they have a high probability to never more seen this dog.

Originally Posted by Saschia

That's why I said bonitated. If you buy bonitated dogs, you know what you are getting.

I personally don't approve of selling bad pups to countries for starting breeding there...

What you wrote seems I can confirme for mostly Slovakians I know, but unhaply its like an exception then mostly part of other countries think pretty different, principally when we talk about send dogs soo far away, so, for those commonly its valid what I wrote for Paul above.

[Sona_Bognarova]

Hm, folks, there is no need to guess or contact any ministry about importation requirement information, every requirement is publicly available on the website I mentioned before. Actually, I can't see importation from UK to Australia any easier than from many other European countries, they are all listed there - considered as not rabies free but keeping rabies under control, thus eligible for 30 days quarantine. And don't be mistaken, 30 days quarantine is obligatory minimum, applicable on ANY dog, pure blood or cross, does not matter and there is NO CHOICE to avoid it unless it is a dog of a special purpose. And yes, it is very difficult travel even for a human, I must agree with that, the flight from Europe may be above 30 hours, including the time spent in transit. Moreover, the kennel is sealed and the animal MUST NOT be released before arrival to final destination. Furthermore, age limits etc. So, I think the new owner must be first well educated about CSW, second skilled and patient enough to help the dog to overcome a stressful importation experience. That is one of the reasons I would like new owners here to keep in touch to be able to help each other with at least advice. One of other reasons is to establish a good breeding group, not easy at all. I don't know what Nebulosa means by "bad" dogs sent from the countries of origin, so I speak just in general - when making your choice for a CSW imported from Europe to Australia (or elsewhere) it is of paramount importance to focus not only on appearance but on the breeding compatibility (if you intend to breed or show your dog) with other individuals imported here. If this co-operation does not happen it may result in quite isolation of new owners in this big country, maybe even in mixing CSW with whatever around, as it happened many times already in other countries. As for the dog choice - Nebulosa, I am sorry you have bad experience, but there is definitely nothing like "the best litter of the year". Mostly breeders and CSW clubs are doing there best to achieve excellent results and yet there is no warranty that your puppy will be a world champion once. On the other hand, even "very good" dogs might be very important for the breeding. I agree also with Saschia, importing the dogs that have passed the bonitation and Xray would be the safest way, and the most expensive at the same time, due to an animal value.
As for the Australian climate, yes, I worried about that too but as I see, breeds like alaskan malamutes, siberian huskies, samoyeds and other are nothing rare here and they are able to cope with it. Well, when there is over 40, everyone is "dead fish".
To summarise it, it is important to know as much about CSW as possible, get as precise information about its importation as possible, to arrange the travel very well and the rest is "just a game" - you can find plenty of information how "easy" that game is, with plenty of stories here, ji, CSW are beasts, but beautiful, interesting, adorable and challenging beasts!!!!

[Nebulosa]

Hi Sona, you missunderstand me

If you read what I wrote for Saschia will see that I had no bad experiences, contrary, the dogs I have are exactly what I was looking for ans exactly what I wait, as I was really glad with Slovakian people because we can really trust they, but as I said for Paul, unhaply they're an exception and even in the CzW we can see cases of the problem I mention.

yes, I worried about that too but as I see, breeds like alaskan malamutes, siberian huskies, samoyeds and other are nothing rare here and they are able to cope with it. Well, when there is over 40, everyone is "dead fish".

You may not worrie, its happen with nordic breeds but with CzW its pretty different, they lost the coat and stay with a nice suricat look untill cold arrives, they react best in hot climates than short haired breeds and even pretty adaptated ones, here my wolfdogs are best adaptated to the hot than the brazilians breeds.

[Sona_Bognarova]

hi Paula, as I don't write to forum often I realised only now that it is you - I recognised you by your dogs of course! I am really glad that you are happy with your CSW and yes, I believe it might be risky for a new owner to leave the choice of the dog on someone else. Well, I suppose majority of people in Australia will find themselves in the same situation, that's why it is better to import dogs that are already judged or bonitated and Xrayed.
And thanks for encouraging words about CSW adaptation to the different climate, I believe they are tough and will be all right even here. And I have to laugh - yes, you described it exactly - suricat look it will be.....till the next cold season

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

... even in the CzW we can see cases of the problem I mention.

Paula, I know you're a very modest person....

But I think it should be explained here, that Paula's got significant experience in dealing with other breeds (not solely CSVs) and has been cooperating with several kennels and breeeders in Brazil for a few years now. When writing about the problems connected with importing dogs form other continents she is writing about what she and other breeders and friends encountered in reality, not only about theoretical assumptions or rumours.

[Hanka]

Sonja,
are you OK? We can read and watch much of fires in Australia.........
Hanka