Mixes in 'La Louve Blanche' kennel?

lupis · 20-11-2008, 17:50

more question because i see something strange in database. how big is normal wolfdog litter? i hear from breeders normal is 5-8. and i check crying wolf litter and all have normal size - from 2 till 8 puppies. and i see french litter i wrote before and breeder use dogs from crying wolf but all liters are very much big. most small one is with 8 puppies and biggest is with 14 puppies. do you know litter with 14 puppies because people (CLC breeders) say it is not possible because 11 is maximum puppies in CLC. they say huge litter is normal for "outcross" it means if you use dog of other breed.

Nebulosa · 20-11-2008, 18:09

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Originally Posted by lupis

more question because i see something strange in database. how big is normal wolfdog litter? i hear from breeders normal is 5-8. and i check crying wolf litter and all have normal size - from 2 till 8 puppies. and i see french litter i wrote before and breeder use dogs from crying wolf but all liters are very much big. most small one is with 8 puppies and biggest is with 14 puppies. do you know litter with 14 puppies because people (CLC breeders) say it is not possible because 11 is maximum puppies in CLC. they say huge litter is normal for "outcross" it means if you use dog of other breed.

The biggest litter I have ever seen was a 16 puppies born from a Brazilian Mastiff, a really huge female, I think will be really rare a wolfdog gave birth to more than 12 puppies in one litter.
Outcrossing will have more puppies than a inbreeding or line breeding, but in CzW we don't have real outcrossings, so, this would never happen, only if we open the bloodline with new dogs... or mixes, all dogs have minimally a huge linebreeding in Rep Z PS, that's why imbreedings like happen in other more poppular breeds is almost forbiden, it's too dangerous.
But, even like that 14 puppies is in my point of view too much for a wolfdog, is even a huge litter for a mastiff.
Independant of how good is the litter control, will be ever pretty easy to put puppies from different litter in a small litter and register as pure dogs with the parents of the small litter, and so, make a false pedigree of "pure dogs" in mixes... I dream one day people wil need call a vet for colect blood of each puppie in the litter for make a DNA test... and even like that will be possible cheat.

furyos · 24-11-2008, 21:52

hi paula.. how are yu??? y don't speak about this balrog .. but balrog de la louve blanche .. (in "B" litter) ...y show yu him for info ...

furyos · 24-11-2008, 21:56

sorry paula but if yu don't find wolf mix are not nice it's just a difference from point of view .... y like this look so wolfish .. and it's my choice ... .. BUT don't like behaviour from this danderous mix with alsakan malamute etc .....but y reconize the really nice look from them ... best regards ...

hanninadina · 24-11-2008, 22:34

Nebulosa, sorry I like wolfmixes and of course real wolves. But I love csw too. Franky, I am fine and thanks for the litter Myla and Miky. Ok, it seems that you wanted to make some avertisement for your kennel with different wolfcrosses but not with csw, I mean first litter of Ossa and Merlin. You did not answer why you first took pics from wolfhybrids in french internet side for selling dogs and than after some people ask why your are making marketing for the first litter of Ossa and Merlin with these pics you took the pics off? Ok, it is private everyone of us can make marketing how we like. It is for me no problem. And if you are lucky too have a puppy who is looking more like wolf, congratulation. So, from my side I don´t blame you, for me it is ok and I am happy for you!

Christian

furyos · 24-11-2008, 22:50

than christian .. but y couldn't put away this pics .. because y don't have code to access in this servor .. it's an old annonce in 2006 ..(my first liiter ..) and this french guy keep it just to discredite my kennel .. really y don' t care abut him . but just jalousy ... if yu come to dog show in france or in europe y 'm glad to speak with yu to my point of yu .. sure y love the wolfish type and volos give me very good results actually .. y hope same with yarl'yanatos .... write me as soon as yur pupps are born .. because y m sure yu wait very wolfish type ... (trust me ... merlin and yurs have very god blood and with italian selection it will be the best combinasion...) best regards ..(y visit ometime yur web site and love the white and black wolwes on ..HUMMMMMMMMM a real pleasure for me to see them .. like when y m kid(7 years) and fall in love in paris's ZOO about an artik wolf female .. SNOW is her name and y visit he all sunday afternoon .. and stay one hour front her park /fr info ZOO is IN VINCENNES ...in 1972) f.

furyos · 24-11-2008, 22:50

thirst word is THANKS ..'sorry tired )

24-11-2008, 21:52	#3
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	hi paula.. how are yu??? y don't speak about this balrog .. but balrog de la louve blanche .. (in "B" litter) ...y show yu him for info ... Last edited by furyos; 26-11-2008 at 17:46.

20-11-2008, 17:50	#1
lupis Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 153	more question because i see something strange in database. how big is normal wolfdog litter? i hear from breeders normal is 5-8. and i check crying wolf litter and all have normal size - from 2 till 8 puppies. and i see french litter i wrote before and breeder use dogs from crying wolf but all liters are very much big. most small one is with 8 puppies and biggest is with 14 puppies. do you know litter with 14 puppies because people (CLC breeders) say it is not possible because 11 is maximum puppies in CLC. they say huge litter is normal for "outcross" it means if you use dog of other breed.

24-11-2008, 21:56	#4
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	sorry paula but if yu don't find wolf mix are not nice it's just a difference from point of view .... y like this look so wolfish .. and it's my choice ... .. BUT don't like behaviour from this danderous mix with alsakan malamute etc .....but y reconize the really nice look from them ... best regards ...

24-11-2008, 22:34	#5
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Nebulosa, sorry I like wolfmixes and of course real wolves. But I love csw too. Franky, I am fine and thanks for the litter Myla and Miky. Ok, it seems that you wanted to make some avertisement for your kennel with different wolfcrosses but not with csw, I mean first litter of Ossa and Merlin. You did not answer why you first took pics from wolfhybrids in french internet side for selling dogs and than after some people ask why your are making marketing for the first litter of Ossa and Merlin with these pics you took the pics off? Ok, it is private everyone of us can make marketing how we like. It is for me no problem. And if you are lucky too have a puppy who is looking more like wolf, congratulation. So, from my side I don´t blame you, for me it is ok and I am happy for you! Christian

24-11-2008, 22:50	#6
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	than christian .. but y couldn't put away this pics .. because y don't have code to access in this servor .. it's an old annonce in 2006 ..(my first liiter ..) and this french guy keep it just to discredite my kennel .. really y don' t care abut him . but just jalousy ... if yu come to dog show in france or in europe y 'm glad to speak with yu to my point of yu .. sure y love the wolfish type and volos give me very good results actually .. y hope same with yarl'yanatos .... write me as soon as yur pupps are born .. because y m sure yu wait very wolfish type ... (trust me ... merlin and yurs have very god blood and with italian selection it will be the best combinasion...) best regards ..(y visit ometime yur web site and love the white and black wolwes on ..HUMMMMMMMMM a real pleasure for me to see them .. like when y m kid(7 years) and fall in love in paris's ZOO about an artik wolf female .. SNOW is her name and y visit he all sunday afternoon .. and stay one hour front her park /fr info ZOO is IN VINCENNES ...in 1972) f.