Dwarfism test for CSW?

[loco]

I have found this link.
http://www.accdata.co.uk/dwarfism/index.html
and then to the field the history of dwarfism.

Only CONSEAL and DENIAL by the breeders off the GS .
Hope the CSW world is very diffrent , and the test is very soon availble .

Groette Martine.

[Hanka]

Hello Mijke,
I have seen this picture on saarlos page, it is very interest for me. Please can you write me (maybe privat message) in what litter you have seen this csw? Maybe we can look for in "blood" of this puppy. Have you got any fotos? I have seen a some similar case, but on foto of saarlos it looks very diferent.....more worse....thanks Hanka

[Hanka]

And second question: is it possible- this puppy was from some "pure breed" breeding of csw in west Evropa? Everybody know, there is possible everything. Can there be any saarlos in population of csw?

[loco]

Originally Posted by loco

I have found this link.
http://www.accdata.co.uk/dwarfism/index.html
and then to the field the history of dwarfism.

Only CONSEAL and DENIAL by the breeders off the GS .

Groette Martine.

Forgot to say, also pointing finger at other breeders .
Does not help to cure this disease, only serieus help for the test does that.

So in the furture, when you think there is any suspicious in the line's you want to use you can ask for test results .
And that is the only way to take this disease out of the whole breed of CSW.
Because the history off CSW is the same, in the rest off Europe as it is for CZ .
History is something that can not be changed .

Groette Martine.

[Hanka]

Yes, but first we can try to find if some family or line has this problem. My personal meaning in this moment is: it can be from some saarlos what was used in csw breeding. But we can´t know it 100%...We can only think about it.

[loco]

And we can also think .
That it come's from the GS in the beginning ???

As the link says it is from the earlier 50s that it came out in the open, and when is the beginning of the breed CSW started??

Does it matter ? ??

It is here and it does not dissapear by pointing a finger to somebody or specific bloodline's.
Or do you think the Breed of CSW is big enough to put out specific bloodline's of breeding??

By using the test with goodtestresult you still can use all bloodline's .

Groette Martine.

[Hanka]

Yes, it can be from GS, of course. But I think no, because here we don´t know some case of it. And in czech are only pure breed csw. If was some case by saarols breed, My personal meaning is- it can be in some "not so much clean" breeding.
So I think, will not be situation when we will must give some line out from breeding....
But-I told, in this moment we can only think about it. We (me) don´t know where Mijke have seen it.

[loco]

And if Mijke was not honest about it you would not know anything about it .

So who says there is only honest breeders off CSW ???
In whole EUROPA ??
Who says because you did not hear about in CZ that it is not there also ???

It also comes forward in very diffrent breeds.
Not only Saarloos and GS.
Also in mouse.
It even comes forward in to people.
So why not the CSW ??
Because we never heard about it ??

It can be only be a dead born pup who has it.
Or a pup who lived not long enough to see the diffrent with the other pups (2 or 3 weeks).
It is exceptional that the pup lived long enough to see that it is a dwarf.

But if everybody stays in denial there never comes a test.

Groette Martine.

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by loco

And we can also think .
That it come's from the GS in the beginning ???

As the link says it is from the earlier 50s that it came out in the open, and when is the beginning of the breed CSW started??

Does it matter ? ??

Sure! I dont read completly the link but I pass the eye in a part wich say the first knowed case was in 53, of course we all know these problems already exist early the first case be related, but nobody cares for the puppies wich the mother kill, wich mystriously die and so on, most part of puppies with this problem die in the first week and in all breeds we can consider common a puppie die in this age, that's why nobody cares at first time, since a puppie with the problem survive suficiently to show the problem to the owner or breeder.
Work with breeders is pretty difficult, probably more cases of hipophysary dwarfism happen in other GSD breeding but the breeder told nobody about it for avoid gossips and rumors about his breeding.
CzW have a high amount of GSD, why the breed would be immune to the GSD problems? of course without the same intensity because the different morphologic selection made in CzW, but every genetic problem wich appear in GSD must call our attention too, principally when it envolve working lines.
Hearth diseases, Cryptorchidism, Hip Displasy, Elbows Displasy, Demodex cannis, malignal brian cancer in young, in a breed with such poor genetic pool like CzW, any cases of illness must call our attention even if it was only one, the breed not need to be mixed for show problems that before not appear, with such genetic pool, is only a time question for more and more hiden illness appear in pure breed dogs, that not mean that mixes will be more healty than pure dogs.

Originally Posted by loco

Because we never heard about it ??

It can be only be a dead born pup who has it.
Or a pup who lived not long enough to see the diffrent with the other pups (2 or 3 weeks).
It is exceptional that the pup lived long enough to see that it is a dwarf.

But if everybody stays in denial there never comes a test.

You can addict that the CzW breed is a relactivelly new breed, so most part of the problems wich the breed have are still unknow, that turn things more difficult.