Sarah Palin

michaelundinaeichhorn · 20-09-2008, 13:59

What is even much worse: She wants to allow oil-companies the approache to nature reservations.
But it is job of the US-citizens to stop her and I am not very optimistic.

Ina

BWolf · 20-09-2008, 14:11

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

What is even much worse: She wants to allow oil-companies the approache to nature reservations.
But it is job of the US-citizens to stop her and I am not very optimistic.
Ina

That's why i posted it here!

this jpg is funny but it's so tragically "realistic"

Can you imagine? Oh, they can't go wrong AGAIN... (i hope it for the planet)...

Mikael · 20-09-2008, 19:12

I do not support hunting on wolves

But in russia thay have about 80000 wolves
and in America about about 60000 wolves

So I think thay might have a few more wolf problems then we have in Europe...

But Scandinavia it is about 500 wolves, and still people wont to hunt them...That is a big problem...

I think people from different parts of the world will think differaetley in this matter, for example farmers...

6 km from my house 6 sheeps was killed by a wolf last month, and even if it is not aloved to hunt wolves in Sweden, I know farmers and hunters still do to protect there animals and hunting grounds.

But this video is highly political, and this is exactly what they wont, fore us to hate the udder side, thay do not care about the wolves, onely about there votes...

Regards / Mikael

Flinch · 20-09-2008, 20:04

Hi Mikael,

Last week it was decided that some of the wolves around our village (Nordmark, Värmland) will be shot. Too many incidents with the killing of ponies and sheep. But also a hunting dog was killed. And of course, the moose hunting will start soon. And now hunters are scared that more dog will be killed during the moose hunt...
And no, I do not have any problem with hunting, but I really do not get why people want to shoot a wolf or lynx. Will those hunters eat them.

Sorry for going OT, but I had to get it out of my system.

BWolf · 20-09-2008, 20:39

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

What is even much worse: She wants to allow oil-companies the approache to nature reservations.

Mikael,
as Ina said, wolves hunting is just the peak of the iceberg.
They published this video "only" to get votes? Well done! I agree. A lot of US-Citizen will vote because of these FACTS? Good sign! What's wrong with this?

Stefano

martiou07 · 21-09-2008, 00:31

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btd · 21-09-2008, 07:47

Mikael: number of wolves is nothing, what is more important is number of wolves/surface of country. So what that in russia there are 80000 when russia is so big country?

And plane hunting? This isn't hunting, its slaughter for stupid, fat and lazy americans (hah, this looks like description of republicans :-> ).

I'm not against hunting - humans has deregulated nature and now have to control it, sometimes by killing, but it has to be done properly. Get on the ground, and give wolf or bear chance to bite fat, republican ass.

Mikael · 21-09-2008, 09:46

Yes I agree, hunting from airplane and helicopter is not hunting, its pure killing !!! and as I told, I do not suport hunting of wolves...

But I do not think in Scandinavia that someone hunts wolves fore fun, thay do it to protect there sheeps and huntin grunds. The hunting grunds are small, and one wolf can easy scare all udder animals away.

But in Canada I know thay have hunting trips to hunt Timberwolf,
this is noting new, and I do not think vote for Obama will stop hunting in the US. But I hope he will win anyway...

Regards / M

michaelundinaeichhorn · 21-09-2008, 10:46

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Originally Posted by Mikael

But I do not think in Scandinavia that someone hunts wolves fore fun, thay do it to protect there sheeps and huntin grunds. The hunting grunds are small, and one wolf can easy scare all udder animals away.

There are easy ways of protecting the life stock and many places where this is done easily. And there are many places and good researches that show that wolves aren´t bad for hunting grounds, the opposite is the case.
Wolf-hunters don´t want to know that and they don´t want to change anything, nothing else.
The last numbers I found about the population: less than 175 000 worldwide, about 40% in the countries of former UDSSR, that means only about/under 68 800.
You have to be extremely careful to use numbers of hunters or states that allow hunting they are almost always far too high.

Ina

Juniorwolf · 21-09-2008, 12:54

Scandinavian gomerments is maybe the worst when it comes to wolves, in Sweden all wolves(about 10-13 wolves) are from same line and can therefor only make inbreeding in the future and the Swedish goverment do not allow new blood to enter sweden because of their strict rules of vaccination, so in time this population will die.... surly !

In Norway they still kill wolves, even that they have a small population(less than

, so in time this will cause inbreeding too and the population will die.... surly !

In Denmark our ancestors killed all predatory animals bigger than foxes many years ago..... now foxes is being killed in big numbers too.

Sheeps and other prey for the wolves can easily be protected with various breeds of dogs.... there is NO excuse for killing wolves in Scandinavia !!!

Sorry but I don`t know much about wolves in Finland ?

Rolf

elkr919 · 27-09-2008, 01:44

Hold on BTD. I want to clear something up. I am a CZ owner in the US AND I am a republican AND I love wolves. I am just as angry with Palin's support of aerial hunting of wolves myself and that is why I will not be voting for that ticket (besides the many other factors I dont like). Honestly I find it disgusting. But to say all american republicans are quote: " stupid, fat and lazy americans (hah, this looks like description of republicans :-> )". Is a bit extreme and offensive. I am sure there are fat stupid lazy people who share the same views in every country. You cannot judge a whole group of people by the actions of a few. It is just ignorant.

I love wolves, wolfdogs and animals in general. I would shoot a person before I would hurt a animal because a person would generally deserve it before an animal would. I understand this is a hot issue especially among those of us who love these animals. I see it as nothing but wrong, but please keep comments like that to yourself.

btd · 27-09-2008, 15:06

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I love wolves, wolfdogs and animals in general. I would shoot a person before I would hurt a animal because a person would generally deserve it before an animal would. I understand this is a hot issue especially among those of us who love these animals.

I agree with that. And back to republicans: yes it sounds ignorant, but looking what republicans do: forcing creationism, being religious fundamentalists looking for war etc I feel little sorry.

I know that not everyone are the same, but majority makes the picture.

And I also don't like barack obama.

20-09-2008, 19:12	#3
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	I do not support hunting on wolves But in russia thay have about 80000 wolves and in America about about 60000 wolves So I think thay might have a few more wolf problems then we have in Europe... But Scandinavia it is about 500 wolves, and still people wont to hunt them...That is a big problem... I think people from different parts of the world will think differaetley in this matter, for example farmers... 6 km from my house 6 sheeps was killed by a wolf last month, and even if it is not aloved to hunt wolves in Sweden, I know farmers and hunters still do to protect there animals and hunting grounds. But this video is highly political, and this is exactly what they wont, fore us to hate the udder side, thay do not care about the wolves, onely about there votes... Regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

21-09-2008, 00:31	#6
martiou07 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: France Posts: 1,986	my opinion and my solution against this Sarah Palin = ........ ........... ......... __________________

21-09-2008, 07:47	#7
btd złośliwy krasnolud Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 705	Mikael: number of wolves is nothing, what is more important is number of wolves/surface of country. So what that in russia there are 80000 when russia is so big country? And plane hunting? This isn't hunting, its slaughter for stupid, fat and lazy americans (hah, this looks like description of republicans :-> ). I'm not against hunting - humans has deregulated nature and now have to control it, sometimes by killing, but it has to be done properly. Get on the ground, and give wolf or bear chance to bite fat, republican ass. __________________ CIRI Wilk z Polskiego Dworu [']

21-09-2008, 09:46	#8
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	Yes I agree, hunting from airplane and helicopter is not hunting, its pure killing !!! and as I told, I do not suport hunting of wolves... But I do not think in Scandinavia that someone hunts wolves fore fun, thay do it to protect there sheeps and huntin grunds. The hunting grunds are small, and one wolf can easy scare all udder animals away. But in Canada I know thay have hunting trips to hunt Timberwolf, this is noting new, and I do not think vote for Obama will stop hunting in the US. But I hope he will win anyway... Regards / M __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

20-09-2008, 13:59	#1
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	What is even much worse: She wants to allow oil-companies the approache to nature reservations. But it is job of the US-citizens to stop her and I am not very optimistic. Ina

20-09-2008, 20:04	#4
Flinch Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Nederland en Zweden Posts: 25	Hi Mikael, Last week it was decided that some of the wolves around our village (Nordmark, Värmland) will be shot. Too many incidents with the killing of ponies and sheep. But also a hunting dog was killed. And of course, the moose hunting will start soon. And now hunters are scared that more dog will be killed during the moose hunt... And no, I do not have any problem with hunting, but I really do not get why people want to shoot a wolf or lynx. Will those hunters eat them. Sorry for going OT, but I had to get it out of my system.

21-09-2008, 12:54	#10
Juniorwolf Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 575	Scandinavian gomerments is maybe the worst when it comes to wolves, in Sweden all wolves(about 10-13 wolves) are from same line and can therefor only make inbreeding in the future and the Swedish goverment do not allow new blood to enter sweden because of their strict rules of vaccination, so in time this population will die.... surly ! In Norway they still kill wolves, even that they have a small population(less than , so in time this will cause inbreeding too and the population will die.... surly ! In Denmark our ancestors killed all predatory animals bigger than foxes many years ago..... now foxes is being killed in big numbers too. Sheeps and other prey for the wolves can easily be protected with various breeds of dogs.... there is NO excuse for killing wolves in Scandinavia !!! Sorry but I don`t know much about wolves in Finland ? Rolf

27-09-2008, 01:44	#11
elkr919 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 10	Hold on BTD. I want to clear something up. I am a CZ owner in the US AND I am a republican AND I love wolves. I am just as angry with Palin's support of aerial hunting of wolves myself and that is why I will not be voting for that ticket (besides the many other factors I dont like). Honestly I find it disgusting. But to say all american republicans are quote: " stupid, fat and lazy americans (hah, this looks like description of republicans :-> )". Is a bit extreme and offensive. I am sure there are fat stupid lazy people who share the same views in every country. You cannot judge a whole group of people by the actions of a few. It is just ignorant. I love wolves, wolfdogs and animals in general. I would shoot a person before I would hurt a animal because a person would generally deserve it before an animal would. I understand this is a hot issue especially among those of us who love these animals. I see it as nothing but wrong, but please keep comments like that to yourself.