Differences in bonitations...

Pavel · 09-09-2008, 14:43

I must say, that Daiva said true. Electrical collar is absolutelly normally using by IPO top training (same like needle collar and string collar). In Germany too !!!
Electrical collar is very good training tool, but only for very specific using and using only under supervision of good experienced trainer. Is stupid to say, that electrical or needle collar are bad. With knife you can killing, but cutting bread as well. Every tool is good, if is correct use.

Torsten · 09-09-2008, 21:13

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I have others informaton from IPO trainers from Germany. Maybe it is forbidden but only official - almost all shephard breeders in your country use it.

that is absolutely correct….

mijke · 09-09-2008, 21:22

Also in other countries well experienced people and trainers are using an electrical collar for specific training

Torsten · 09-09-2008, 21:27

it is used as support (not for constant use)

Pavel · 09-09-2008, 21:30

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Originally Posted by mijke

Also in other countries well experienced people and trainers are using an electrical collar for specific training

Yes, Mijke wrote it absolutelly correct and must be stressed "specific training". Its mean not using by normally obedience. Electrical collar ist mostly (exc. IPO) using for correct the education faults, character problems (hunting instinct) etc.

loco · 09-09-2008, 23:10

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Originally Posted by Pavel

Yes, Mijke wrote it absolutelly correct and must be stressed "specific training". Its mean not using by normally obedience. Electrical collar ist mostly (exc. IPO) using for correct the education faults, character problems (hunting instinct) etc.

And used by the wrong hands

, you can also destroy a dog

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It is very handy, but also very ubusing if you do not use it correct.
And that is just what you can see lately a lot in the dogsport

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Groette Martine.

Pavel · 09-09-2008, 23:33

Martine, read my 2 last comments, I said it. I dont like only the people, who said generally, that electric or needel collar are bad. Its not true, because in some specific situations they are last and one only help.

loco · 09-09-2008, 23:40

Not only last help

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In some situations it is better to use it ride away

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Nebulosa · 09-09-2008, 22:30

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Originally Posted by Pavel

I must say, that Daiva said true. Electrical collar is absolutelly normally using by IPO top training (same like needle collar and string collar). In Germany too !!!
Electrical collar is very good training tool, but only for very specific using and using only under supervision of good experienced trainer. Is stupid to say, that electrical or needle collar are bad. With knife you can killing, but cutting bread as well. Every tool is good, if is correct use.

Perfect!
Remembering for who say that eletric collar "hurts", commonly the eletric colar are tested on the TREINER first before be used on the dog, it really not hurt at all, but gives a strange felling on the neck.
In official working trials and even in dogshows eletric collars and needle collars are forbiden, normally it's only acepted collars without strangler or with the strangler "grasped" at working trials, that not means we cannot use it for training.

09-09-2008, 14:43	#1
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	I must say, that Daiva said true. Electrical collar is absolutelly normally using by IPO top training (same like needle collar and string collar). In Germany too !!! Electrical collar is very good training tool, but only for very specific using and using only under supervision of good experienced trainer. Is stupid to say, that electrical or needle collar are bad. With knife you can killing, but cutting bread as well. Every tool is good, if is correct use. Last edited by Pavel; 09-09-2008 at 18:20.

09-09-2008, 21:22	#3
mijke Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Warnsveld Posts: 2,033	Also in other countries well experienced people and trainers are using an electrical collar for specific training __________________ Vriendelijke groeten, Mijke PS: I am not a moderator anymore!!

09-09-2008, 21:27	#4
Torsten Senior Member/ Dude Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Thüringen - East Germany Posts: 2,837	it is used as support (not for constant use) __________________ es ist egal gegen Wen oder Was man kämpft, wichtig ist Wofür...! Lieber stehend sterben – als knieend leben ! http://www.wolfs-hunde.com

09-09-2008, 23:40	#8
loco Non active. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Outside, walking the dog. Posts: 2,873	Not only last help . In some situations it is better to use it ride away . __________________ Just treat stupid situations like a dog.....If you can't play with it or eat it....... Then just piss on it and walk away .

09-09-2008, 23:33	#7
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	Martine, read my 2 last comments, I said it. I dont like only the people, who said generally, that electric or needel collar are bad. Its not true, because in some specific situations they are last and one only help.