Differences in bonitations...

[Huan]

Originally Posted by Pavel

We know just many years is by Slovakian club not strictly limit. Why, can everybody think about . Standard dont give the alternative. I still believe that word "minimum" have always same sense - less is not possible. Or have somebody other sense of this word ?

Right.. but... it means that males 65cm tall and higher are typical and below 65cm are too short. It's only up to the judge to evaluate how big fault the 1cm is for him. It's obviously a fault according to standard but the same is with dark eyes, big ears, wrong body indexes. It's written "minimum 65cm" but it also written for example "Length of muzzle : Length of cranial region : 1 : 1.5" ... so what's about it? Does it mean that dog with the proportions of 1:1,49 should be disqualified or maybe 1:1,45?? Or 1:1,33?? It's up to the judge... "minimum 65cm" means that the judge has no right to say that the dog with 65,5cm is too short. It's typical according to standard since it 65cm or higher.

[Pavel]

Originally Posted by Przemek

Right.. but... it means that males 65cm tall and higher are typical and below 65cm are too short. It's only up to the judge to evaluate how big fault the 1cm is for him.

Sorry Przemek, you are not right. 65 cm by males and 60 cm by females are MINIMUM. So says standard. Its not about "typical" or not. Its MINIMUM.

Originally Posted by Przemek

It's obviously a fault according to standard but the same is with dark eyes, big ears, wrong body indexes. It's written "minimum 65cm" but it also written for example "Length of muzzle : Length of cranial region : 1 : 1.5" ... so what's about it? Does it mean that dog with the proportions of 1:1,49 should be disqualified or maybe 1:1,45?? Or 1:1,33?? It's up to the judge... "minimum 65cm" means that the judge has no right to say that the dog with 65,5cm is too short. It's typical according to standard since it 65cm or higher.

By e.g. body format is not "minimum" border (same by head format). Its written in faults, whats is wrong. Andy by this two mesurements must judge valuate, but by hight is it clear "minimum" is "minimum". And if dog dont reach minimum high, according not to standard and must get P14.

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Pavel

By e.g. body format is not "minimum" border (same by head format)..

But you have PROPORTIONS. Wrong proportions -> DISQUALIFICATION. But see the reality... Even dachshound can be sometimes P1.

Originally Posted by Pavel

Its written in faults, whats is wrong. Andy by this two mesurements must judge valuate, but by hight is it clear "minimum" is "minimum". And if dog dont reach minimum high, according not to standard and must get P14.

Maximum of the ears is 1/6 of the heigh. If it is more then -> wrong proportions of the ears -> P14 also... So why we can see dogs with F2 and P1 (excellent)?
And there are MANY examples like this....

So far the problem is that some people CHOOSED some faults which were more important and made them P14. In CZ you choosed for example the heigh... So far there is no bigger problem with the heigh so I think the Czech breeding comittee should start to watch faults which are EXTREMLY spread by the population like:
- open lips
- heavy heads
- deep and wide chests
- short legs and wrong indexes
Because so far there is no control for this and it is the reason why it is not improving by many lines...

[Margo]

Originally Posted by massimo

I have never seen you train your dogs and I cannot judge you. But if I try to understand these words... Geryon was protecting himself from you, or better, from something you do to him which he doesn't like.

Yes Massimo - it is almost like you say... ALMOST because he was not protecting himself FROM ME, but from being measured by Sona...
In the dog training you have MANY situations where the dog do not want to do something (sometimes because the dog do not know it is good and nice).
What do you do in such cases? Do you say "my dog do not want to be trained"? And you make NOTHING? "CzW are to stupid to be trained because my dog don't want to do anything and I will not "forse" him to do things he don't like"? Or you show him that training (or bontation) is nothing wrong and dangerous and can be even nice and funny?

In such cases I find always some methods to "forse" the dog (with motivation like snacks, good words, aso.). In Hronec I could give up with Geryon (STUPID DOG DON'T WANT TO BE TOUCHED AND I RESPECT IT) but I think MUCH BETTER solution was just to say him some nice words, to stroke him and show "Sona and bonitation can be cool things".

If you will always give up by training with CzW you will never reach anything... Also not by me - I need much more POSITIVE motivation (like the perfect red wine from Italy) to make some things (like update of the database) earlier than planned...

[wolfin]

Massimo, my dogs love me and are crazy to me and i love my dogs very much. You can quest my dogs ourself

Geryon, like say Sonja, is 100% son of Kondor, and have this same character (this can say also Marcela)- he can not stay in the same place longer than 2 seconds and not like things like measurement. and I know this - he always not stay still in dogs show and always must move.
If You see ALL Geryons bonitation You can see he was happy when this have end. he is dog to running but not standing. Yes he have problems like macho - he not like others male, but he not have problems with people.

and IF You wish know who character have he, next thime please come to me and contact with him. I remember in Hronec, You not contact with him, like others people and i think not can say 100% which character have Geryon.