Differences in bonitations...

Margo · 05-09-2008, 13:47

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Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

Despite the fact, and thanks to all the hydrotherapy we did, Sona could not find problems in her movement when presented in movement - which she said publicly and therefore gave her the code she gave her. If you are envious about a perfect code given to unbreedable dog, then I pity you.

No Mirka - bonitation of Mery is only one part of the bigger problems we have at the moment... And she is the best example... I didn't saw her for a long time... but I read on your pages she has problems to move propertly because her back legs 'tangle' when she move. So I wondered how she can be P1 with such kind of movement problems...
And you must understand my worries about the breed because she is not the only example when dog with problems (not exactly HD but with slack ligaments) get nice note during the bonitation... Just see the famous case in Czech Republic about the bonitation in Prague I mentioned... ASK someone from CZ - they will tell you the story....

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Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

Your hypothesis of "if I had a female" and "then it would be disqualifying fault" have no basis on real actions or facts. You have accused me and my kennel publicly and have absolutely no ground for it, except for your hatred and paranoia that everything is about you.

Mirka, before you write about paranoia please ask finally somebody from the Czech breeding comittee about the problems I mentioned - about dogs which pass bonitations without any problems even if they have DISQUALIFYING FAULTS I listed...

Mirkawolf · 05-09-2008, 17:03

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Originally Posted by Margo

No Mirka - bonitation of Mery is only one part of the bigger problems we have at the moment... And she is the best example... I didn't saw her for a long time... but I read on your pages she has problems to move propertly because her back legs 'tangle' when she move. So I wondered how she can be P1 with such kind of movement problems...
And you must understand my worries about the breed because she is not the only example when dog with problems (not exactly HD but with slack ligaments) get nice note during the bonitation... Just see the famous case in Czech Republic about the bonitation in Prague I mentioned... ASK someone from CZ - they will tell you the story....
Mirka, before you write about paranoia please ask finally somebody from the Czech breeding comittee about the problems I mentioned - about dogs which pass bonitations without any problems even if they have DISQUALIFYING FAULTS I listed...

There was never problem with bonitation of Mery. And I don´t care a bit about your worries, which were not worries but accusations of the worst sort with a goal to throw dirt on me and my dogs. Neither I need to ask anything from Czech breeding committee, don´t change the subject.

All I wanted is a reply to my question, so as why a dog bonitated in Pozna with 64 cm in shoulder is not automatically P14. All I got were attacks and accusations from you and a lot of crap.

I am still waiting for you to withdraw publicly your accusations against me, my kennel and my dogs.

Margo · 05-09-2008, 17:38

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Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

All I wanted is a reply to my question, so as why a dog bonitated in Pozna with 64 cm in shoulder is not automatically P14. All I got were attacks and accusations from you and a lot of crap.

I am still waiting for you to withdraw publicly your accusations against me, my kennel and my dogs.

Oh Mirka - you really have a nerve.

FIRST you start topic with attacks on MY KENNEL and bonitation made during meeting organized by ME EVEN if you exactly know the answer for your questons: WHY the dog has the kind of bonitation code and that there are MORE dogs like this even if your country... Really please stop to play saint person - you never asked about such cases before when something like this appeared before, you never started a topic about slovak kind of bonitation when dog from your kennel get P1 although according your "MOST PERFECT CZECH BONITATION RULES" he should be P14 (I know why he is P1 and not P14 and I agree with it but according the code he is P14 and if you would be fair person you will start your posts blaming slovakian bonitation already 3 years ago).

No - you exactly started the topic because of the reasons we all know perfectly... PRIVATE reasons: dog with MY kennel name...

For me it is no problem - we can talk about it.... But the topic include much more problems than the height only: differences between different countries, between another type of judgement and problem of the hiding of faults...
But I see for you it is only great if you have the possibility to attack other people and breeders but when we start to speak about you, your deccisions and your kennel you see it as ACCUSATIONS...

If you attack somebody and touch problematic things so be prepared to talk about it in the publicity and do not hide everything and do not try to end the disscusion behind "you blame my kennel - stop it"...
I do not have such kind of problems and I can talk about everything in the public - I really believe in the words "Prawdziwa Cnota Krytyki Się Nie Boi!" (Real virtue is not affraid of critique - if you have nothing bad to hide you should be not affraid of any critique because you can explain everything)...

If you have problem with disscusion please NEVER start topics like this because in such case be prepared you have also to answer some problematic questions...

loco · 05-09-2008, 18:00

They say that the CZ bonitation does not give anything else than P14 to a maledog that is lower than the minimum of 65 cm.
Is the rule changed in the last past years ?
Was it in the earlier days possible to get P5 in CZ, when your dog was lower than the minimum size??
Because this dog did his bonitation in CZ, but is lower than the minimum but got P5.
http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...le=list&id=745
Ore is this because it is possible to a SL judge, to judge CZ bonitation ??
Groette Martine.

loco · 17-09-2008, 23:00

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Originally Posted by loco

They say that the CZ bonitation does not give anything else than P14 to a maledog that is lower than the minimum of 65 cm.
Is the rule changed in the last past years ?
Was it in the earlier days possible to get P5 in CZ, when your dog was lower than the minimum size??
Because this dog did his bonitation in CZ, but is lower than the minimum but got P5.
http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...le=list&id=745
Ore is this because it is possible to a SL judge, to judge CZ bonitation ??
Groette Martine.

Still wonder about the answer's

, and I found another one

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http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...e=list&id=4100
And he even got P1 ??
Still hope, that someone can answer me

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Groette Martine.

loco · 17-09-2008, 23:04

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Originally Posted by loco

Still wonder about the answer's

, and I found another one

.
http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...e=list&id=4100
And he even got P1 ??
Still hope, that someone can answer me

.
Groette Martine.

Sorry wrong link

, have to find him again

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Lost it somewhere between mine mouse and the post

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05-09-2008, 18:00	#4
loco Non active. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Outside, walking the dog. Posts: 2,873	They say that the CZ bonitation does not give anything else than P14 to a maledog that is lower than the minimum of 65 cm. Is the rule changed in the last past years ? Was it in the earlier days possible to get P5 in CZ, when your dog was lower than the minimum size?? Because this dog did his bonitation in CZ, but is lower than the minimum but got P5. http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...le=list&id=745 Ore is this because it is possible to a SL judge, to judge CZ bonitation ?? Groette Martine. __________________ Just treat stupid situations like a dog.....If you can't play with it or eat it....... Then just piss on it and walk away .