2nd bonitation in Belgium

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by Pavel

Hi,
one information only, Jndrich Jedlicka is no more member of Czech Club and have no support from club. Jindrich Jedlicka dont represent czech breed and dont judge CsW just minimally 4 years (and dont visit bonitations, youth presentations, shows and CsW meetings in CZ and SK). He dont breeding many years and only support the Mutara hybrids, on which is illegally breeding and the puppies are registrate like a CsW (according some information in Italy). The results make everybody self.

We know all that Pavel. Anything else you wish to say?

On the other side, you can´t deny the fact Jindrich Jedlicka is valid international judge, he can judge the breed and has more experience with it than you or many members of the current Club board in CR, let alone most of current judges in CR. The bonitation will be run according to Czech rules, including the character test etc., and the results will be perfectly valid and comparable to any other Czech or Slovak bonitation results.

Your personal problems with Jindrich Jedlicka have nothing to do with our bonitation, and luckily we can decide perfectly freely, who to invite.

[Pavel]

Mirka, I havent any personal problems with Jedlicka . I wrote only the information, that he is just little bit "out of game", because every good judge must keep contact with breed developemnt. And if he dont visit any event in countries of origin the breed just over 4 years, am not sure about his quality, like judge for club show.

[Hanka]

Ahoj Mirka.
I don´t know if you are right. Jindrich is not in contact with club (I don´t know if he is member) and I don´t know if he knows how we do the bonitation now. I mean complete test of character (What must "figurant" do, we have test of dog in group of people,when is shutting.....). My personaly meaning is : "it will not be the same like czech bonitation", but I can´t know it, of course.

[Mirkawolf]

Dear Hanka and Pavel,
I really love how everyone is ready to criticise, but nobody cares to help. We did contact several judges in preparation to the bonitation, and only Mr.Jedlicka was free and kindly agreed to come.

Mr. Jedlicka, as far as I know, is aprooved international judge, listed on the CMKU list of international judges. You both know very well, why he is not comming to Czech club events anymore and why he refused to judge in CR. That does not mean, he does not know what is going on in the world of CSW, he does not know the standard anymore etc. And I don´t think that it is something to discuss here and now.

I really appreciate, that both of you are always ready to say, how awfull it is in western countries, that the people there do not bonitate, they do not x-ray, they do not work with the dogs, they do not do xxx. Well, we want to change it here and we would really appreciate support and help, not useless critics and complaints.

Would you really preffer, that we did the bonitation here with a judge from FR, NL, BE or whatever, Hungarian one? Somebody who does not have a clue? Would that make the results any better in your eyes? I don´t think so. So why there is problem with valid international Czech judge, specialist on the breed?

I also do not see, why the fact that Mr. Jedlicka is not comming to Czech club events should mean, that he does not know how we bonitate now. I am not a club member of KCHCSV for many years, yet I am perfectly informed on what is going on there, including the disasters our current Czech bonitation committee is able to create. I have seen certain Czech bonitation results and actions in CR, that make my head spin.

[Pavel]

Mirka,
for help is enought to contact club in CZ or SK, its all. Me is principially doesnt matter, if you choose Jedlicka or not. I inform only about actually situation. For me is doesnt matter, if belgian people would like to have e.g. canadian judge. But for real and valuable bonitation may be a really seriously judge. But of course, bonitation can, according the rules, make any national or international judge, who have right to valuate CsW.

I wish you good luck

Pavel

[Pavel]

And one fact about regsitration Jedlicka as international judge. See http://www.sky.cz/seda-eminence/, its pages of Jedlicka and see the sentence : "Do týdne požádám o vyškrtnutí ze seznamu mezinárodních rozhodčích FCI a ČMKU, zajistěte si proto včas rozhodčího na dubnovou bonitaci." Please translate fot people, which want to understand. Date of this document is 13.2.2005 !!! So that Jedlicka is "out of game" just over 5 years, not 4, as abobe written. Sorry.

[Hanka]

Hello Mirka, please read what I wrote. I don´t speak- is easy to have judges in your country, I don´t speak he does not know how must csw look, I don´t speak- you are not in contact with csw in Czech. I only write you: "MAYBE he doesn not know, how czech club do bonitation NOW". Because he was not on some czech bonitations a few years. Thats fact.

[Mirkawolf]

Pavel,

we do not need your permission or approoval to make the bonitation here, and we do not need your permission or approoval to use Mr. Jedlicka.
We did contact the Czech club in preparation for the bonitation, and this is the result - we do bonitate with this judge. The club was absolutely uninterested in helping us in any way.
I do not care what is on website of Seda Eminence kennel, what is valid for me is the current list of valid and active international judges on CMKU site.

[saschia]

Originally Posted by Pavel

for help is enought to contact club in CZ or SK, its all

Pavel, as a representative of the SR club I must say here that the Belgian club did try to appoint slovak judges, unfortunately all of them have a lot to do with slovak bonitations, slovak shows and their personal lives as well.

I think that the belgian club did choose wisely. It may be true that Jindra has personal conflict with czech club, but there is no personal conflict with other clubs and as long as he judges objectively, why shouldn't other clubs appoint him? Who do you think they should have chosen? How do you think they should have persuaded the chosen judge to come if he declined the offer?

I am personally strongly opposed to using Mutaras and their offspring in breeding of CSW, but as long as the judge gives appropriate marks, there is no reason which would disqualify him.