What is an interesting pedigree?

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Originally Posted by Hanka

About THIS poland male on czech list: ask our leader of breeding Dana Matušincová. She explain you WHY is he on our list. I know- owner is not your friend, but it is not my problem.

Hanka, we don't need to ask Dana because we know exactly the answer... Simply said it is not as you wrote:

Originally Posted by Hanka

I will be happy if I will see there some good male from some good and health group. I will use him I promise....

You are NOT looking for GOOD and HEALTHY dogs from HEALTHY groups. There are many dogs like it in Poland. Some even without any offsprings.
No, you decided to put on the list only a "strange" dog comming from a line with much higher percentage of dysplasia than by other stud dogs here because this line is "unique" for you and it it is so because his group was decimated by bad hip results and body deformations and only few dogs from this line were able to get breeding rights.

So you put a dogs much worser than other stud dogs here EXACTLY because it is not from the HEALTHY line. If I as a breeder would like that you as Club will 'send me' female owners I should NOT breed healthy and good looking dogs but the most dyspaltic and degenerated... With the worsest exterier...

And it is so. And it is no wonder. There are many good, nice and healthy lines in Czech Republic. Healthy and nice means that many dogs are getting the breeding rights what make such good lines pretty common also by you. So you will not go abroad to use unique dog but comming from a bigger group. No, you will send only people to use the dogs from "dying" lines even if they are not typical and not from healthy line.

So it make no sence for any GOOD breeders to help you (I really DO NOT mean it on negative way!) because they can help you ONLY of their will start to use the worstest lines with the highest number of ilnesses and exterier faults. It means these which representants you need in CZ.
You really not not need more dogs comming from HEALTHY, GOOD lines because you have them already by you and some are still without any offsprings....

Originally Posted by Hanka

Margo, I started this my writting, because somebody here asked "what is interest" pedigree. I answered and I wrote about our system, about (for me) interest dogs.

There is a problem which was already mentioned by Koboldine.
Hanka, I think you mixed UNIQUE pedigree with INTERESTING pedigree... For the Czech 'small' breeding groups you need UNIQUE dogs and not necessarily INTERESTING.

Unique is a dog with seldom pedigree - comming usually from the "small" group. Sure there are still VERY FEW dogs which have unique but also GOOD and INTERESTING pedigree. But in the most cases "unique" are lines these which nobody want to use. Such dogs have UNINTERESTING pedigrees: with many ancestors with hip dysplasia, with bad exterier and bad characters. They are unique because nobody want to breed with such dogs.

And INTERESTING pedigree? First - CzW should look like Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. So I think it is hard to call a line of German Shepherd alike dogs a INTERESTING LINE of CZECHOSLOVIAKIAN WOLFDOG... Second - I don't think that pedigrees full of dogs with bad hips results can be considered as interesting, right....
So when we remove all lines of GSD looking dogs and dogs with bad health results we will have a group of dogs to choose from.

What is interesting? Depends what you are looking for.... If you are looking for a dog with INTERESTING working abilities. Or with INTERESTING ancestors. Or with high quality exterier.
Interesting will be a dog which will FULLY fulfil our requirements and and the same time will have the most "unique" pedigree from the all dogs we left for "last" selection.

Originally Posted by Hanka

Oh Margo, it is too long article for me. You know, groups was created many years ago, by Karel Hartl (?). I hope. So some question you must ask him. Not me )). We only continue in his work.

Hanka - it is alredy good answer. So the groups base on historical reasons.

Now the another question to the clubs

- You know the slovak lines are different. Do you consider the possibility to meet with the Slovak club and to prepare 'common' lines (I do not say that you have to follow all of them - just to write dow all possible lines which should be followed)? It can be made on a very easy way - if you would redefine the criterions for the groups as elf suggested and divide the dogs in lines of more recent dogs comming from CZ and SK. Such groups can be followed not only in CZ and SK but also in other countries (as the most dogs abroad were imported after 1995).
In such case every country can care for its "own" lines but at the same moment to follow the guidelines valid for the whole population.

So if there is the possiblity that both origin clubs will define for example 20 groups - Czech club will follow for example 8 of them, Slovaks 5, France and Italy also 5, Germany 3. Some lines will agree with each other. Some will be "specific" for a country.
Thanks to this we would not have the situation when in Czech Republic has 8 groups, Slovaks less and the rest of Wolfdogs are bred according no rules - pure chaos. But we would get 20 different lines. We can reach something what Slovak and Czech Club is not able to reach working alone and only for "themselves"...