Offspring´s

[Nebulosa]

Repeating matings is different to use a stud.
Omar z krotkovskeho dvora was used in a different data in pretty different conditions for the breed.
I don't agree with his use in this way, I don't agree with the fact that people had use so much some studs as Rep Z pohranicni Straze and Omar z Krotovskeho dvora, when at the same time some dogs with different bloodlines get lost in the time because hole litter of lonely mate die without get used in the breed.
But things change and now we have more dogs than at past, more females and more breeders, surelly the number of the litters per dog, principally a famous one will increase, if we compare with the past it will seems even stupid and bad for the breed.
In this topic we are mixing somethings as if it is equal, its a wrong think.
One thing is repeat ever the same litter, it surelly decrease the genetic pool of the breed as the clone litter have no value for breeding, another thing is you use a stud with you know have good bloodline and pass good characteristics one time or with different females and don't repeat again these litters, you do it knowing and waiting good genetic, another thing is you blindly use a male because shows or working titles.

I really don't see problems in dogs like Carr Maly Bysterec or Baron Spod Dumbiera and others like that, wich have made some different litter with some different females in different countries, theyr blood is speeled over world, not all dogs from these mates are used in breeding, some pet dogs and maybe one or two dogs of these litters will get used at breeding, these dogs we all know pass some good qualitys for its offsprings, turning better the quality helping with the breed evolution as well.
The females mated with this dog probably won't repeat ever the same litter with him, even because he is from different owner and sometimes not soo much well common, and well... the owners study the line for make this litter and commonly they find another so interessant dog for mate in next litter, so you will be able to see the blood of this female with some different males, if you want you will use the blood of this female with the blood of this well common dog or not.
No wonder if in about 5 years we have some linebreedings on these dogs with the will to increase a little bit the amount of blood of these dogs in the specific litter, that's happen and is common in all breed.

At other side we have the hiper show well-know titled dogs, wich everyones uses it sometimes blindly because the titles that will help then to sell the litter, not only have him as father but make huge inbreedig and line breeding in this dog, another times without any knowledge about its genetic they make litters with the think that: "if this dog is good and titled, he will makes good litters", and, when you have a hyper used dog, neophites will see only good dogs winning at shows or at the magazines, and will think "this dog is good" without have knowledge that of these 2 good dogs, this same stud made about 50 bad ones wich are almost hiding with owners as Pet, and maybe will appear one good soul wich will study the pedigree of this dog, his offsprings and will see if this dog will be good or bad if mate with his female.

And so, we have here the good character of the stud owner, you as owner will let your dog be used in repeated mates? with females with bad bloodline for him? or let him make inbreeding using him with his daughter?
here enter the good sense and the money question, if someones only care for money, he will let his stud be used for who paid, if the owner have alittle bit og good sense, he will think twice before do that.
This concience will avoid the problems that we can see at south america with dobermann breeding, almost all dobermanns have one dog in line or inbreeding, barely you find dogs that's at least far away of this dog, that's happen becahse this dog was good and the owner surelly don't care much or don't had think about the future of the breed, and let this dog be over used by other breeders, the dog is good, pass good genetic and is pretty know and well titled. For you people had idea about the think of th eowner, the dog is death at more than 5 years and still make litters as father... tecnology rules.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by solowolf

your tecnology was not much use when you insulted me and the breeder of my timber wollf calling it a HYBRID ,,,,,, you can talk the talk but if you cant tell a pure wolf when you see one i wouldnt bother with breeding at all,,,,,, pacino

Sorry, wrong topic

Regards / Mikael

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

As far as I understood didn't Nebulosa mean the wolves, she was talking about dogs. Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs in that case.
How many wolves and what kind of wolves live in your wolf park anyway, and whereabout is the park located?

Michael

Can you please put this post in the Crosses in the UK thread instead

Regards / Mikael

[elf]

A little stat, dogs with COI(5 generations) more than 30% (sorted by birthday: breeding plans many years ago are not the same):

2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Uros ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Llobas-Ghisa ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Hiroshi II ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Hiroshi ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Yado ---(priv. Orpelli)---
2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Tundra ---(priv. Orpelli)---
2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Sca ---(priv. Orpelli)---
2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Priscilla ---(priv. Orpelli)---
2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Pepe ---(priv. Orpelli)---
2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Thor Crying Wolf
2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Therpsis Crying Wolf
2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Thalia Crying Wolf
2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Pavel ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Naise ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Lupo ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Lupa ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Kyra ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Duncan ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Sultan ---des Gardiens de la Cour---
2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Ayak ---des Gardiens de la Cour---
2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Attila ---des Gardiens de la Cour---
2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Akail ---des Gardiens de la Cour---
2004.09.28 -- 30.5175781250% -- Nicea ---Ciccone---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Zeus ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Tularosa ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Luna ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Geronimo ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Daphne ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Blu ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Aria ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Anubis ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.04.17 -- 30.9570312500% -- Vaillant ---des Gardiens de la Cour---
2004.04.17 -- 30.9570312500% -- Bilou ---des Gardiens de la Cour---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hutch ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Huri ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hura ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Horus ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hendrix ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Heda ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Heca ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hasso ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hanouk ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hamlet ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Haita ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hagen ---Colle del Lupo---
2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- Manja ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs---
2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs---
2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs---
2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs---
2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Lupo ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Kochis ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Jahanna ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hug ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Geronimo ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Farak ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Angelina ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Rex z Krotkovského dvora
2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Repka z Krotkovského dvora
2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Rep z Krotkovského dvora
2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Rama z Krotkovského dvora
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Raggio ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Nebbia ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Kocis ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Gandalf ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Ermanno ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Ares ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Andromeda ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2001.01.19 -- 32.7636718750% -- Mikala ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs---
2001.01.19 -- 32.7636718750% -- Manon ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs---
2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Puma z Krotkovského dvora
2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Primus z Krotkovského dvora
2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Prim z Krotkovského dvora
2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Priam z Krotkovského dvora
2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Pedro z Krotkovského dvora
2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Pax z Krotkovského dvora
2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Panda z Krotkovského dvora
2000.12.17 -- 31.6406250000% -- Pama z Krotkovského dvora
2000.01.25 -- 30.8105468750% -- Fibby Kollárov dvor
2000.01.25 -- 30.8105468750% -- Fenndy Kollárov dvor
2000.01.25 -- 30.8105468750% -- Farry Kollárov dvor
2000.01.25 -- 30.8105468750% -- Fanny Kollárov dvor
2000.01.25 -- 30.8105468750% -- Fallko Kollárov dvor
2000.01.16 -- 30.8105468750% -- Aragon Vlčia krv
1999.02.05 -- 33.0566406250% -- Eryx Kollárov dvor
1999.02.05 -- 33.0566406250% -- Elax Kollárov dvor
1999.02.05 -- 33.0566406250% -- Ejda Kollárov dvor
1999.02.05 -- 33.0566406250% -- Edy Kollárov dvor
1999.01.16 -- 32.1777343750% -- Bora od Miščicha
1999.01.16 -- 32.1777343750% -- Bona od Miščicha
1999.01.16 -- 32.1777343750% -- Bat od Miščicha
1999.01.10 -- 30.8105468750% -- Cézar Kollárov dvor
1999.01.10 -- 30.8105468750% -- Cliff Kollárov dvor
1999.01.10 -- 30.8105468750% -- Citka Kollárov dvor
1999.01.10 -- 30.8105468750% -- Cindy Kollárov dvor
1999.01.10 -- 30.8105468750% -- Cid Kollárov dvor
1999.01.10 -- 30.8105468750% -- Car Kollárov dvor
1998.10.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Moňa z Krotkovského dvora CS
1998.10.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Maxa z Krotkovského dvora CS
1998.10.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Max z Krotkovského dvora
1998.02.05 -- 32.4707031250% -- Flip z Rofa
1998.02.05 -- 32.4707031250% -- Faxon z Rofa
1998.02.05 -- 32.4707031250% -- Faraon z Rofa
1998.01.18 -- 39.2089843750% -- Lord z Krotkovského dvora CS
1997.11.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Kórach z Krotkovského dvora
1997.11.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Káj z Krotkovského dvora
1997.11.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Koro z Krotkovského dvora
1997.11.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Kondor z Krotkovského dvora
1997.11.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Kazan z Krotkovského dvora
1997.11.12 -- 31.6406250000% -- Kain z Krotkovského dvora
1997.04.01 -- 33.9355468750% -- Eryk z Ciriakovho dvora
1997.04.01 -- 33.9355468750% -- Eri z Ciriakovho dvora
1997.04.01 -- 33.9355468750% -- Emi z Ciriakovho dvora
1997.04.01 -- 33.9355468750% -- Elba z Ciriakovho dvora
1997.02.04 -- 32.4707031250% -- Brit Šikulov dvor
1996.01.31 -- 34.0820312500% -- Chira z Krotkovského dvora
1996.01.31 -- 34.0820312500% -- Chir z Krotkovského dvora
1995.12.15 -- 33.9355468750% -- Cézar z Ciriakovho dvora
1995.12.15 -- 33.9355468750% -- Cárka z Ciriakovho dvora
1995.12.15 -- 33.9355468750% -- Cuky z Ciriakovho dvora
1995.12.15 -- 33.9355468750% -- Ciro z Ciriakovho dvora
1995.12.15 -- 33.9355468750% -- Cida z Ciriakovho dvora
1995.12.15 -- 33.9355468750% -- Car z Ciriakovho dvora
1995.10.28 -- 31.6406250000% -- Hyke z Krotkovského dvora CS
1995.10.28 -- 31.6406250000% -- Hura z Krotkovského dvora CS
1995.10.28 -- 31.6406250000% -- Hesi z Krotkovského dvora CS
1995.10.28 -- 31.6406250000% -- Hera z Krotkovského dvora CS
1995.10.28 -- 31.6406250000% -- Hedy z Krotkovského dvora CS
1995.10.28 -- 31.6406250000% -- Halka z Krotkovského dvora CS
1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Gurta z Krotkovského dvora
1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Grečko z Krotkovského dvora
1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Goro z Krotkovského dvora
1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Gogo z Krotkovského dvora
1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Gaston z Krotkovského dvora
1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Gar z Krotkovského dvora
1995.08.10 -- 32.1777343750% -- Galka z Krotkovského dvora
1994.12.10 -- 41.6992187500% -- Europa z Krotkovského dvora
1994.12.10 -- 41.6992187500% -- Esta z Krotkovského dvora
1994.12.10 -- 41.6992187500% -- Emír z Krotkovského dvora
1994.12.10 -- 41.6992187500% -- Elbow z Krotkovského dvora
1994.11.25 -- 31.6406250000% -- Cézar z Krotkovského dvora CS
1994.11.25 -- 31.6406250000% -- Cirus z Krotkovského dvora CS
1994.11.25 -- 31.6406250000% -- Cidar z Krotkovského dvora CS
1994.11.25 -- 31.6406250000% -- Cida z Krotkovského dvora CS
1994.11.19 -- 31.6406250000% -- Bux z Krotkovského dvora CS
1994.11.19 -- 31.6406250000% -- Bugo z Krotkovského dvora CS
1994.11.19 -- 31.6406250000% -- Bryta z Krotkovského dvora CS
1994.11.19 -- 31.6406250000% -- Bryt z Krotkovského dvora CS
1994.11.19 -- 31.6406250000% -- Bruna z Krotkovského dvora CS
1994.11.19 -- 31.6406250000% -- Bega z Krotkovského dvora CS
1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Asta z Ciriakovho dvora
1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Ares z Ciriakovho dvora
1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Amor z Ciriakovho dvora
1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Amanda z Ciriakovho dvora
1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Aktis z Ciriakovho dvora
1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Aima z Ciriakovho dvora
1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Ado z Ciriakovho dvora
1994.11.11 -- 33.9355468750% -- Abba z Ciriakovho dvora
1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Hike Južná čast'
1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Hik Južná čast'
1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Hero Južná čast'
1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Hektor Južná čast'
1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Haso Južná čast'
1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Hari Južná čast'
1994.10.13 -- 34.0820312500% -- Haide Južná čast'
1994.02.04 -- 32.1777343750% -- Zora z Krotkovského dvora
1994.02.04 -- 32.1777343750% -- Zola z Krotkovského dvora
1994.02.04 -- 32.1777343750% -- Zina z Krotkovského dvora
1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Yzop z Krotkovského dvora
1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Yrda z Krotkovského dvora
1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Yra z Krotkovského dvora
1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Ykon z Krotkovského dvora
1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Yka z Krotkovského dvora
1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Ydar z Krotkovského dvora
1994.01.17 -- 34.2285156250% -- Yda z Krotkovského dvora
1993.12.10 -- 32.3242187500% -- Bryta z Gilanovho dvora
1993.12.10 -- 32.3242187500% -- Bryt z Gilanovho dvora
1993.12.10 -- 32.3242187500% -- Bruna z Gilanovho dvora
1993.12.10 -- 32.3242187500% -- Begi z Gilanovho dvora
1993.12.10 -- 32.3242187500% -- Bajkal z Gilanovho dvora
1993.12.10 -- 32.3242187500% -- Bajka z Gilanovho dvora
1993.11.29 -- 46.8750000000% -- Xavan z Rosíkova
1993.11.26 -- 38.8183593750% -- Vlk z Krotkovského dvora
1993.06.09 -- 32.4218750000% -- Tola z Krotkovského dvora
1993.06.09 -- 32.4218750000% -- Tobi z Krotkovského dvora
1993.01.21 -- 32.1777343750% -- Samson z Krotkovského dvora
1993.01.21 -- 32.1777343750% -- Sam z Krotkovského dvora
1992.10.18 -- 31.1523437500% -- Astor Fončorda
1992.10.18 -- 31.1523437500% -- Argo Fončorda
1992.10.18 -- 31.1523437500% -- Alfa Fončorda
1992.10.18 -- 31.1523437500% -- Alan Fončorda
1992.10.18 -- 31.1523437500% -- Ajax Fončorda
1991.12.04 -- 30.3222656250% -- Antea Bonus
1991.12.04 -- 30.3222656250% -- Amir Bonus
1991.12.04 -- 30.3222656250% -- Algar Bonus
1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Avar z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom
1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Arza z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom
1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Art z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom
1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Area z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom
1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Ama z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom
1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Alma z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom
1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Alba z Kykule pod Lepeníkom
1991.11.22 -- 32.3242187500% -- Achát z Kyvule pod Lepeníkom
1991.11.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Nyx z Krotkovského dvora
1991.11.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Nyr z Krotkovského dvora
1991.11.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Nyk z Krotkovského dvora
1991.11.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Nora z Krotkovského dvora
1991.11.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Nor z Krotkovského dvora
1991.11.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Nero z Krotkovského dvora
1991.10.03 -- 30.5175781250% -- Asy od Zejdy CS
1991.10.03 -- 30.5175781250% -- Ala od Zejdy CS
1991.10.03 -- 30.5175781250% -- Akita od Zejdy CS
1991.10.03 -- 30.5175781250% -- Aja od Zejdy CS
1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chán z Krotkovského dvora
1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chlipka z Krotkovského dvora
1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chlapík z Krotkovského dvora
1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chira z Krotkovského dvora
1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chir z Krotkovského dvora
1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chim z Krotkovského dvora
1990.12.04 -- 32.3242187500% -- Chama z Krotkovského dvora
1990.11.28 -- 32.3242187500% -- Aran z Gilanovho dvora
1990.11.28 -- 32.3242187500% -- Andy z Gilanovho dvora
1990.11.28 -- 32.3242187500% -- Alma z Gilanovho dvora
1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Grácia Balmar
1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Grof Balmar
1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Goro Balmar
1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Gina Balmar
1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Gera Balmar
1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Gapa Balmar
1990.11.05 -- 35.4980468750% -- Gaja Balmar
1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Brian Trenčan
1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Bresta Trenčan
1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Brehmy Trenčan
1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Borka Trenčan
1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Bonita Trenčan
1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Bern Trenčan
1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Berenica Trenčan
1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Barča Trenčan
1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Baron Trenčan
1990.10.17 -- 31.5429687500% -- Barilla Trenčan
1988.12.29 -- 35.5468750000% -- Dono od Pavlišina CS
1988.12.29 -- 35.5468750000% -- Dino od Pavlišina CS
1988.03.16 -- 36.4257812500% -- Osa z Rosíkova CS
1988.03.16 -- 36.4257812500% -- Orlík z Rosíkova CS
1988.03.16 -- 36.4257812500% -- Olmar z Rosíkova CS
1988.03.16 -- 36.4257812500% -- Old z Rosíkova CS
1988.01.08 -- 35.5468750000% -- Cézar od Pavlišina CS
1988.01.08 -- 35.5468750000% -- Cira od Pavlišina CS
1988.01.08 -- 35.5468750000% -- Cida od Pavlišina CS
1988.01.08 -- 35.5468750000% -- Ciba od Pavlišina CS
1988.01.08 -- 35.5468750000% -- Ceno od Pavlišina CS
1987.01.12 -- 31.8359375000% -- Káj z Rosíkova CS
1987.01.12 -- 31.8359375000% -- Kora z Rosíkova CS
1987.01.12 -- 31.8359375000% -- Kazan z Rosíkova CS
1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Bron Vopa
1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Brix Vopa
1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Brita Vopa
1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Brit Vopa
1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Brat Vopa
1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Besy Vopa
1986.03.29 -- 36.4257812500% -- Bero Vopa
1983.12.01 -- 32.4218750000% -- Arnika z Graby CS
1983.12.01 -- 32.4218750000% -- Argus z Graby CS
1983.12.01 -- 32.4218750000% -- Ares z Graby CS
1983.12.01 -- 32.4218750000% -- Apis z Graby CS
1983.12.01 -- 32.4218750000% -- Almea z Graby CS
1983.12.01 -- 32.4218750000% -- Alba z Graby CS

[Mikael]

This comes as a shock even to me, 30-50% on 5 generation !!!

This is really the death list of are breed, if we do not react now it will be to late

Sad regards / Mikael

[elf]

Dogs with COI(5 generations) more than 20% since 2002 (sorted by birthday):

2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yvain Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yolka Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yasmine Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yarl Yanatos Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yanus Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yam Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yago Crying Wolf
2007.09.27 -- 21.0449218750% -- Zjev Cosmo Daniel D'Elite
2007.04.16 -- 28.2714843750% -- Jody ---Terre dell'Est---
2007.04.16 -- 28.2714843750% -- Cindy ---Terre dell'Est---
2007.04.16 -- 28.2714843750% -- Alex ---Terre dell'Est---
2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Uros ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Llobas-Ghisa ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Hiroshi II ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2006.10.27 -- 41.4062500000% -- Hiroshi ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2006.04.10 -- 21.0449218750% -- Quin Cosmo Daniel D'Elite
2006.04.10 -- 21.0449218750% -- Quiero Cosmo Daniel D'Elite
2006.04.10 -- 21.0449218750% -- Querida Cosmo Daniel D'Elite
2006.04.10 -- 21.0449218750% -- Quemada Cosmo Daniel D'Elite
2006.04.10 -- 21.0449218750% -- Quasar Cosmo Daniel D'Elite
2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Yado ---(priv. Orpelli)---
2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Tundra ---(priv. Orpelli)---
2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Sca ---(priv. Orpelli)---
2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Priscilla ---(priv. Orpelli)---
2006.03.27 -- 32.2753906250% -- Pepe ---(priv. Orpelli)---
2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Thor Crying Wolf
2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Therpsis Crying Wolf
2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Thalia Crying Wolf
2006.02.05 -- 23.2910156250% -- Havanna Hanouk de Louba Tar
2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Rudy ---Casa della Rosa---
2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Roli ---Casa della Rosa---
2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Roky ---Casa della Rosa---
2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Red ---Casa della Rosa---
2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Razy ---Casa della Rosa---
2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Randy ---Casa della Rosa---
2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Drama ---Casa della Rosa---
2005.12.08 -- 20.1171875000% -- Dita ---Casa della Rosa---
2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Ré Crying Wolf
2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Rubin Crying Wolf
2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Robin Hood Crying Wolf
2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Rambo Crying Wolf
2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Rainbow Crying Wolf
2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Pavel ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Naise ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Lupo ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Lupa ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Kyra ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2005.05.27 -- 30.0781250000% -- Duncan ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Sultan ---des Gardiens de la Cour---
2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Ayak ---des Gardiens de la Cour---
2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Attila ---des Gardiens de la Cour---
2005.04.16 -- 30.9570312500% -- Akail ---des Gardiens de la Cour---
2005.02.17 -- 28.2226562500% -- Kris Cosmo Daniel D'Elite
2005.02.17 -- 28.2226562500% -- Kiss Cosmo Daniel D'Elite
2005.02.17 -- 28.2226562500% -- Kent Cosmo Daniel D'Elite
2005.02.01 -- 26.7578125000% -- Fersen ---(priv. Rognoni)---
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Psisan Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phyrhus Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Philemon Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phenelope Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phemba Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Pharis Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phanom Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phaedra Crying Wolf
2004.10.26 -- 21.7773437500% -- Ossa Crying Wolf
2004.10.26 -- 21.7773437500% -- Orpheus Crying Wolf
2004.10.22 -- 21.4843750000% -- Hugo Fončorda
2004.10.22 -- 21.4843750000% -- Hok Fončorda
2004.09.28 -- 30.5175781250% -- Nicea ---Ciccone---
2004.09.24 -- 20.2636718750% -- V'Yanna Vopa von den Wächter der Krone
2004.09.24 -- 20.2636718750% -- V'Wotan von den Wächter der Krone
2004.09.24 -- 20.2636718750% -- V'Cheyenne von den Wächter der Krone
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Zeus ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Tularosa ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Luna ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Geronimo ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Daphne ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Blu ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Aria ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.09.20 -- 30.0781250000% -- Anubis ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2004.04.17 -- 30.9570312500% -- Vaillant ---des Gardiens de la Cour---
2004.04.17 -- 30.9570312500% -- Bilou ---des Gardiens de la Cour---
2004.02.19 -- 20.5566406250% -- Xenos Xerxes de Louba Tar
2004.02.19 -- 20.5566406250% -- Xenator Arni de Louba Tar
2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Uxia ---della Vittoria Alata---
2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Ussaro ---della Vittoria Alata---
2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Ursula ---della Vittoria Alata---
2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Uri ---della Vittoria Alata---
2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Unno ---della Vittoria Alata---
2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Unicum ---della Vittoria Alata---
2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Ulisse ---della Vittoria Alata---
2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Ublaze ---della Vittoria Alata---
2003.12.16 -- 28.4179687500% -- Uber ---della Vittoria Alata---
2003.12.06 -- 28.1250000000% -- Dia Šikulov dvor
2003.12.06 -- 28.1250000000% -- Dag Šikulov dvor
2003.12.01 -- 20.2636718750% -- Ulfie von den Wächter der Krone
2003.12.01 -- 20.2636718750% -- Ujhiro von den Wächter der Krone
2003.12.01 -- 20.2636718750% -- Uinseann von den Wächter der Krone
2003.12.01 -- 20.2636718750% -- U? von den Wächter der Krone
2003.12.01 -- 20.2636718750% -- U'zeeva von den Wächter der Krone
2003.12.01 -- 20.2636718750% -- U'Wolfgang Amadeus von den Wächter der Krone
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hutch ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Huri ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hura ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Horus ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hendrix ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Heda ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Heca ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hasso ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hanouk ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hamlet ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Haita ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.07.10 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hagen ---Colle del Lupo---
2003.02.09 -- 21.4843750000% -- Gádar Fončorda
2003.02.09 -- 21.4843750000% -- Gaston Fončorda
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Koira Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kazan Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kavik Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kavak Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Karuk Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Karlik Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kankin Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kajab Crying Wolf
2002.12.31 -- 21.5332031250% -- Brest spod Ďumbiera
2002.12.31 -- 21.5332031250% -- Beryl spod Ďumbiera
2002.12.31 -- 21.5332031250% -- Baron spod Ďumbiera
2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- Manja ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs---
2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs---
2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs---
2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs---
2002.12.05 -- 32.7636718750% -- ? ---Wollenberg Wolfdogs---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Lupo ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Kochis ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Jahanna ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Hug ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Geronimo ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Farak ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.11.05 -- 30.0781250000% -- Angelina ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.03.10 -- 21.1914062500% -- Tilouna Windswept Hillock's
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Frida Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Fortuna Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Forrest Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Flash Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Faust Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Fargo Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Fanny Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Falco Crying Wolf
2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Rex z Krotkovského dvora
2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Repka z Krotkovského dvora
2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Rep z Krotkovského dvora
2002.01.11 -- 49.2187500000% -- Rama z Krotkovského dvora
2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Enzo Crying Wolf
2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Elvis Crying Wolf
2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Elton Crying Wolf
2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Elmar Crying Wolf
2002.01.07 -- 21.4355468750% -- Grace Kollárov dvor
2002.01.07 -- 21.4355468750% -- Gora Kollárov dvor
2002.01.07 -- 21.4355468750% -- Gina Kollárov dvor
2002.01.07 -- 21.4355468750% -- Gero Kollárov dvor
2002.01.07 -- 21.4355468750% -- Gaya Kollárov dvor
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Raggio ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Nebbia ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Kocis ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Gandalf ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Ermanno ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Ares ---(priv. Bresciani)---
2002.01.04 -- 30.0781250000% -- Andromeda ---(priv. Bresciani)---

[Mikael]

CsV world record in inbreeding ???

Dogs with COI(5 generations) more than 20% since 2002 (sorted by birthday):

2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yvain Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yolka Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yasmine Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yarl Yanatos Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yanus Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yam Crying Wolf
2007.10.12 -- 20.5078125000% -- Yago Crying Wolf

2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Thor Crying Wolf
2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Therpsis Crying Wolf
2006.02.24 -- 35.4492187500% -- Thalia Crying Wolf

2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Ré Crying Wolf
2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Rubin Crying Wolf
2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Robin Hood Crying Wolf
2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Rambo Crying Wolf
2005.07.22 -- 22.1191406250% -- Rainbow Crying Wolf

2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Psisan Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phyrhus Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Philemon Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phenelope Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phemba Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Pharis Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phanom Crying Wolf
2004.12.08 -- 22.2656250000% -- Phaedra Crying Wolf
2004.10.26 -- 21.7773437500% -- Ossa Crying Wolf
2004.10.26 -- 21.7773437500% -- Orpheus Crying Wolf

2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Koira Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kazan Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kavik Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kavak Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Karuk Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Karlik Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kankin Crying Wolf
2003.01.06 -- 21.7773437500% -- Kajab Crying Wolf

2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Frida Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Fortuna Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Forrest Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Flash Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Faust Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Fargo Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Fanny Crying Wolf
2002.01.13 -- 22.9980468750% -- Falco Crying Wolf

2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Enzo Crying Wolf
2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Elvis Crying Wolf
2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Elton Crying Wolf
2002.01.07 -- 25.4882812500% -- Elmar Crying Wolf

Sad and still shocked, regards / Mikael

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Mikael

CsV world record in inbreeding ???



Sad and still shocked, regards / Mikael

you are shocked,,, so what are the breed clubs in Europe going to do about it,???????/ hey maybe you will need some of my CWS X WOLF sooner than you think pacino,,,,,

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Repeating matings is different to use a stud.
Omar z krotkovskeho dvora was used in a different data in pretty different conditions for the breed.
I don't agree with his use in this way, I don't agree with the fact that people had use so much some studs as Rep Z pohranicni Straze and Omar z Krotovskeho dvora, when at the same time some dogs with different bloodlines get lost in the time because hole litter of lonely mate die without get used in the breed.
But things change and now we have more dogs than at past, more females and more breeders, surelly the number of the litters per dog, principally a famous one will increase, if we compare with the past it will seems even stupid and bad for the breed.
In this topic we are mixing somethings as if it is equal, its a wrong think.
One thing is repeat ever the same litter, it surelly decrease the genetic pool of the breed as the clone litter have no value for breeding, another thing is you use a stud with you know have good bloodline and pass good characteristics one time or with different females and don't repeat again these litters, you do it knowing and waiting good genetic, another thing is you blindly use a male because shows or working titles.

I really don't see problems in dogs like Carr Maly Bysterec or Baron Spod Dumbiera and others like that, wich have made some different litter with some different females in different countries, theyr blood is speeled over world, not all dogs from these mates are used in breeding, some pet dogs and maybe one or two dogs of these litters will get used at breeding, these dogs we all know pass some good qualitys for its offsprings, turning better the quality helping with the breed evolution as well.
The females mated with this dog probably won't repeat ever the same litter with him, even because he is from different owner and sometimes not soo much well common, and well... the owners study the line for make this litter and commonly they find another so interessant dog for mate in next litter, so you will be able to see the blood of this female with some different males, if you want you will use the blood of this female with the blood of this well common dog or not.
No wonder if in about 5 years we have some linebreedings on these dogs with the will to increase a little bit the amount of blood of these dogs in the specific litter, that's happen and is common in all breed.

At other side we have the hiper show well-know titled dogs, wich everyones uses it sometimes blindly because the titles that will help then to sell the litter, not only have him as father but make huge inbreedig and line breeding in this dog, another times without any knowledge about its genetic they make litters with the think that: "if this dog is good and titled, he will makes good litters", and, when you have a hyper used dog, neophites will see only good dogs winning at shows or at the magazines, and will think "this dog is good" without have knowledge that of these 2 good dogs, this same stud made about 50 bad ones wich are almost hiding with owners as Pet, and maybe will appear one good soul wich will study the pedigree of this dog, his offsprings and will see if this dog will be good or bad if mate with his female.

And so, we have here the good character of the stud owner, you as owner will let your dog be used in repeated mates? with females with bad bloodline for him? or let him make inbreeding using him with his daughter?
here enter the good sense and the money question, if someones only care for money, he will let his stud be used for who paid, if the owner have alittle bit og good sense, he will think twice before do that.
This concience will avoid the problems that we can see at south america with dobermann breeding, almost all dobermanns have one dog in line or inbreeding, barely you find dogs that's at least far away of this dog, that's happen becahse this dog was good and the owner surelly don't care much or don't had think about the future of the breed, and let this dog be over used by other breeders, the dog is good, pass good genetic and is pretty know and well titled. For you people had idea about the think of th eowner, the dog is death at more than 5 years and still make litters as father... tecnology rules.

Thanks for the book Nebulosa

Well balanced answer as always !

Best regards / Mikael

[wolfin]

For me in first place is gens, later Wright.
about long way ... hmmm I think from LT I have to longest way to rep.

[Hanka]

But I travel too. I write about other breeders, which not travel. So if I CAN travel for mateing, why don´t take new blood to my country?
I know you don´t like Edit, but I used male with (for Czech) interest blood.

[wolfin]

aha ok.
But about Edith we not speak in this thema, and ... if You have falsh info about me and Edith friendship, please not wright this.

[wolfin]

Sorry Mikael, but for me, You not very see dogs pedigree, and not know all thime about who speak.
Maybe better mass studie all litters and breed plans?

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Sorry Mikael, but for me, You not very see dogs pedigree, and not know all thime about who speak.
Maybe better mass studie all litters and breed plans?

Maby you can tell me what is wrong by try to keep the COI low,
and try to get in new blood in your contry ???

Best regards / Mikael

[Nebulosa]

I hope next time Czech republic will try to rescue the line of S and R Windsweept Hillok litters, jola z Krotovskeho Dvora and Falco zo Sennej, with the more "czech lines" these dogs will be almost outcrossing... but.. none have interess they have no show titles.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

I hope next time Czech republic will try to rescue the line of S and R Windsweept Hillok litters, jola z Krotovskeho Dvora and Falco zo Sennej, with the more "czech lines" these dogs will be almost outcrossing... but.. none have interess they have no show titles.

I have BIG interest...

No show results needed, only good HD and Bonitation...

Best regards / Mikael

[loco]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

I hope next time Czech republic will try to rescue the line of S and R Windsweept Hillok litters, jola z Krotovskeho Dvora and Falco zo Sennej, with the more "czech lines" these dogs will be almost outcrossing... but.. none have interess they have no show titles.

But this breeder has 3 dogs out this litters, do you not think he has a reason why he did not breed on with this dogs out of those litters?
Or is just only the line that must be kept alive, and really the rest is not inportend?
Groette Martine.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

I hope next time Czech republic will try to rescue the line of S and R Windsweept Hillok litters, jola z Krotovskeho Dvora and Falco zo Sennej, with the more "czech lines" these dogs will be almost outcrossing... but.. none have interess they have no show titles.

Where can I find out more about this line ???

Can somebody send me some info ???

Regards / Mikael

[Hanka]

Wow, there was