Calculation of Wolf blood?

[Gypsy Wolf]

So I was sent a link calculating Luna's pedigree in terms of percentages.
http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.php?op=modload&name=WolfdogDB&file=wright& lan=eng&wid=12489&maxdepth=10

According to this calculation, she has almost 30% wolf blood. Is this true? It seems a bit high for a vlcak so many generations away, with so many GSDs in the foundation of the breed. I would think her actual inheritance of wolf blood would be about 3% at most?
How is this calculated? And at this point, is the percentage of wolf blood even applicable as they are no longer a "hybrid"?

[Rona]

Envoyé par Lunas Mom

So I was sent a link calculating Luna's pedigree in terms of percentages.
http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.php?op=modload&name=WolfdogDB&file=wright& lan=eng&wid=12489&maxdepth=10

According to this calculation, she has almost 30% wolf blood. Is this true? It seems a bit high for a vlcak so many generations away, with so many GSDs in the foundation of the breed. I would think her actual inheritance of wolf blood would be about 3% at most?
How is this calculated? And at this point, is the percentage of wolf blood even applicable as they are no longer a "hybrid"?

See http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8749

[buidelwolf]

Hello Lunas Mom,

Wolfblood percentage is just a mathematical thing as Mikael just explained and you can read a lot about it in f.e. http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8749 which Rona quoted.

The mother of your dog has a mathematical wolfblood percentage of 27.48%, see: this link
The father of your dog has a mathematical wolfblood percentage of 29.17% see this link
So theoretically your dog has a wolfblood percentage of (27.48% + 29.17%) / 2 = 28,32% , which is about the average (about 27 - 28%). Doesn't say a lot (almost nothing) about the level of wolfish characteristics.

[Mikael]

Envoyé par Lunas Mom

So I was sent a link calculating Luna's pedigree in terms of percentages.
http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.php?op=modload&name=WolfdogDB&file=wright& lan=eng&wid=12489&maxdepth=10

According to this calculation, she has almost 30% wolf blood. Is this true? It seems a bit high for a vlcak so many generations away, with so many GSDs in the foundation of the breed. I would think her actual inheritance of wolf blood would be about 3% at most?

Yes it is true, I did not believe it at first, as the American Wolfdog is 50% at generation 1 and 25 % at generation 2... = /2 for every generation....

But CsV was not breed like AWD, as allot of ( CsV ) and ( Hybrids ) was mix whit each other (and also whit wolf.)

You can se here on Blood line nr 4, GSD is not used at all...

Bloodline No 4
Breeding year :1972

Origin: Bratislava section of the border guard near Malacky
Responsible breeder: Vice Commander Major Frantisek Rosik

Male Wolf: Carpatian Wolf, Sarik

Female Hybrid: Generation F3 , Xela Z Pohranicni Straze ,
from Bloodline No 1

Female Wolfdog: Urta ZZ Pohranicni

You can look here on Hronsek >>> http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tchecoslovaque.com/cgi-bin/wolf_blood.py?dog_id=9076

Look at "Shortest distance" to Wolf, it say 7 generations.
Look at "Shortest distance" to GSD, it say 8 generations.

One must also remember if you mix 30% CsV to 30% CsV the puppy´s will be 30 % to, but one more generation from wolf....

30+30=60/2 = 30% wolf blood

but as in AWD, if you mix whit dog that has 0% wolf blood, it will look like this...

50% hybrid X dog 0% = 50+0=50 /2 = 25 % wolf blood.

But remember it is just mathematically and the breeding selection and generations make a AWD at 25% and CsV on 25% not the same thing, as it might be 7 generation of selection on CsV but only 2 on the AWD.

Best regards / Mikael

[Gypsy Wolf]

Thank you very much for the info. I read the thread you referred me to, and it seems the "conflict" in my mind is the "American" way of looking at "wolf blood" percentage and the early breeding selection in the CSV.
At this point, the CSV is considered a DOG so the idea of it having wolf blood is no different than any of our other breeds as they are all, technically, descended from wolves.
I guess the idea is to explain some of the unique traits seen in the CSV versus dogs that are farther removed from wild ancestry.

[Gypsy Wolf]

Of course when I discuss it with people, I do tend to say, based on the "American" way of looking at wolf blood, that Luna is really no more than about 3% "wolf"... for me, I sort of think of "wolf blood" as "pure wolf blood" - once there is a mix, even though it has a percentage of wolf blood, it is still a mix, so I think of "wolf blood" as the amount of "pure wolf" in her.
It also reinforces to the public that she is NOT a wolf-hybrid, she is a dog and 3% sounds "friendlier" to them and 30%.
Most of the time I tend to describe the vlcak as a breed that "looks like a wolf, acts like a shepherd."
People are more likely to interact with her when they think she has little to no wolf in her - initially they suspect she is a hybrid and stay away, but when I describe her as a DOG that just happens to look wolfy they want to pet her.

[Fede86]

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It also reinforces to the public that she is NOT a wolf-hybrid, she is a dog and 3% sounds "friendlier" to them and 30%.

I may be wrong... but I don't think that the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog really has 30% of wolf blood. I think the actual percentage, from a genetic point of view, is much lower than that. I remember someone on the Italian forum said he did a genetic test on his wolfdogs and it showed that the actual wolf blood percentage was lower than 4%, so I guess that when you tell people your dog is no more 3% wolf you are probably not lying.
I guess that at this point of development of the breed, and after so many generations from the last pure wolf, they should be considered DOGS. They may be a “difficult” and peculiar breed, yes, but they are still dogs.
And if we actually portrayed them as such, there would be many less fanatical people getting them because they want a “wolf”. I think that it would have been better for the sake of the breed if it’s name was “Czechoslovakian Shepherd” instead of “Czechoslovakian Wolfdog”, but this is of course just a personal opinion

[elf]

Lunas Mom, take a look at Belyaev (foxes) and Tryon (rats) works about effects of selection, it would help to relativise this %.

I remember someone on the Italian forum said he did a genetic test on his wolfdogs and it showed that the actual wolf blood percentage was lower than 4%

Must be a post on a 1st April