I fully agree with you, Michael. As it is said in Gaga's signature: Breeding is neither a function, nor a profession or a hobby but a title and honour. It should be deserved and held with dignity. :rock_3

I would add that breeding (unlike making litters :p) is a kind of art, where huge knowlege, hard work, good eye, skills, experience and imagination should be correlated with talent, (or at least a knack) and... modesty (?) 8):)

I think you misunderstand me a bit here...

I did not say I would breed on them, only that I was interested and wonted more info...:rock_3

Showresults is not needed, but good health is...

Best regards / Mikael

If we see in the correct point CzW breed have fell lines and if you see most part italians, Passo del Lupo, Crying wolf, Villa D'oria and maybe Kysucká hviezda, all other so called lines are nothing more than interessing mates, like Tambury.

This is the tipical information really important that everyones try hidden.
So, we have Glaucoma problem in the breed, if Falco and Argenta had this problem means it comes from Klea, from Klea litter only Krasna (and Klea) was used as stud, do you know if another brother or sister of Krasna had glaucoma problems?
Knowing this problem we already know that wouldn't be secure for the puppies make any litter with the blood % upper in K Ruskov Dvor CS litter.

Scorpion is Chryptorchid.
Sara is Displasic
Lack one?

And can we take out lines in CzW?
All CzW are parents, one more closed than other, another more far away than others, but all they are parents, the breed born of only 5 bloodlines and that is the problem.
For people have a little idea about the problem, FCI today only recognize breeds wich have more than 8 different bloodlines.
Some dogs and litters will show problems, some because bad selection like a huge inbreeding, some because accident, the ill appear in the litter, unexpected. But these problems shows only problems wich hole breed have and can appear, and the worst, will appear with the time when the line get more and more close.
What save the breed t'ill now was the good conscience of the origin countries and of some breeders wich don't make (or the clubs don't allow ) clone litters, different parents in every litter help to increase the genetic pool of the breed.
Some litters, some even of pretty famous dogs have brothers or sisters with health problems, chryptorquidism, displasy, hearth problems, epilepsy and maybe some others that we cannot nor imagine, commonly we only know the healty dogs and use it, if you see by line, and start use only healty line wich make only healty puppies in few times even this line will start to show problems because the consanguinty.

So, in this case the only thing that can we do is don't use the affected dogs, and in the case use carefully a healty brother, selecting with care for avoid close in the problematic blood.

Even if we open the line of the CzW with a new blood we will need much more than only one line and a lot of years for make really different lines for let the breeders make a more strong selection, taking out hole litter of reproduction if needed, taking out C dogs or any other "bloodline" wich we find problem.
Now, we can't do that.

Anyway you will rescue the blood of Rep together... Atos Belesova is his son.

Thanks ;-).

I agree whit you Nebulosa !!!

If possible we must save this line, we can not lose one,
when we infact need more blood lines...

But is it to late ???

And way do not the clubs do anything ???

What do the owners of this dogs think ???

Regards / Mikael

it is good point if you have european wolf, the breed is changing before your eyes in Italy, now the biggest breeders in world and the CWS from here are starting to look different from the dogs from northern Europe, we also have nearly another type altogether being bred in France, but before you breeders from Italy and France give me both barrels on this,, have a look at the photos on this web site and see for youself,, in uk over the years we have seen the Alsation a working breed turn into a hunched back, cow hocked dog with little or no working potential left so much that the Police in uk now import there dogs, i have nothing against showing of dogs but when people start to breed for LOOKS it is disater, going on how dogs look and how many shows it wins is when it starts to go wrong, the cws is working dog, and a good one at that, with spirit and energy and with a character that is hard to match in any breed, out going and loyal , so lets us all work together in keeping it that way, ive seen to many with there tails tucked up to do me a lifetime,
pacino

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Post # 61. Originally posted by Mikael. "I really think we nead some international breeding roules, (recommendations) about COI, total Offspring´s and repeated litters... I do think that the most breeders do try to keep the COI low, but it is a question how long this will be possible... if some breeders make litters whit a COI on 20-50% on 5 generations !!! And take over 50 Offspring´s ??? Not just the COI on 5 generation is important, but the total pedigee to... I think we and the clubs better react NOW, not in 4-8 years, then it might be to late !!!"

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Thanks to all great posts. Best regards / Mikael