Minerals required for a puppy

Andrei · 17-03-2012, 14:35

Hi! I have a 22 weeks old puppy and I am not sure what are the ammount of minerals/day.I gave him 4 tablets of "Pet Phos Croissance Ca/P" till now and he is doing fine, but I followed the advice of a doctor that is a bit uncertain as a pro so I would like your opinions on this matter.The dog is great, wonderful, playfull, but some advices and suggestions are kindly welcome.Thank you in advance.

tupacs2legs · 17-03-2012, 14:40

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Originally Posted by Andrei

Hi! I have a 22 weeks old puppy and I am not sure what are the ammount of minerals/day.I gave him 4 tablets of "Pet Phos Croissance Ca/P" till now and he is doing fine, but I followed the advice of a doctor that is a bit uncertain as a pro so I would like your opinions on this matter.The dog is great, wonderful, playfull, but some advices and suggestions are kindly welcome.Thank you in advance.

hi

why are you giving extra supplements? if your puppy is on a good balanced diet there is no need to add anything

.. sometimes it can do more harm than good,

what do you feed your puppy?

Andrei · 17-03-2012, 14:53

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

hi

why are you giving extra supplements? if your puppy is on a good balanced diet there is no need to add anything

.. sometimes it can do more harm than good,

what do you feed your puppy?

On my kindly breeder suggestion, only raw meat with bones from chicken(about 950gr/day).I was assured by my breeder that this diet works great for this dogs, yet everyone else don't agree this teory.Other then raw chicken meat I give him 100-150 gr. of dried industrial food, as treats.Until 2 months ago the puppy got chicken and purina dry food in equal parts.

tupacs2legs · 17-03-2012, 16:09

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Originally Posted by Andrei

On my kindly breeder suggestion, only raw meat with bones from chicken(about 950gr/day).I was assured by my breeder that this diet works great for this dogs, yet everyone else don't agree this teory.Other then raw chicken meat I give him 100-150 gr. of dried industrial food, as treats.Until 2 months ago the puppy got chicken and purina dry food in equal parts.

raw chicken only is not the way to feed a raw diet

maybe you could research a raw diet more, and until you are confident you know what is balanced feed a good quality dry food ,which you should not need or want to add supplements to.

yukidomari · 17-03-2012, 17:10

Chicken alone is not a balanced raw diet. Especially so if you're not feeding whole chickens inclusive of organs but only like chicken quarters. On average chicken is 30% bone content which is already too much for long term feeding esp to puppies. It's also lacking in most minerals including copper and iron. if you won't be supplementing with vegetables, red meat is a necessity as well as secreting organs..

Better to do a more thorough read on feeding a raw diet, a wrongly balanced one is worse than just feeding kibble.

What about a better quality kibble? Most kibble already has border line high Ca/P amounts. Feeding too much Ca/P causes rapid bone growth lacking in density according to large studies.

Andrei · 17-03-2012, 17:28

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

raw chicken only is not the way to feed a raw diet

maybe you could research a raw diet more, and until you are confident you know what is balanced feed a good quality dry food ,which you should not need or want to add supplements to.

I have no idea how or where to search for a raw diet on czech wolfs other than this place alone.It would help a lot if you and other czech owners would share their dog's diets when they were/are puppies.I had a word with my breeder and again I was assured that raw chicken or beef is perfect for this dogs and calcium supplments are necesary as puppies.This is the advice of a very respectable breeder in Romania, had no health problem with my puppy yet, but I would love to hear others czech owners opinion.I'm hear to learn, share and listen.Cheers.

jefta · 17-03-2012, 18:06

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Originally Posted by Andrei

Hi! I have a 22 weeks old puppy and I am not sure what are the ammount of minerals/day.I gave him 4 tablets of "Pet Phos Croissance Ca/P" till now and he is doing fine, but I followed the advice of a doctor that is a bit uncertain as a pro so I would like your opinions on this matter.The dog is great, wonderful, playfull, but some advices and suggestions are kindly welcome.Thank you in advance.

Never give Ca/P supplements without test their proportion in blood!!! If you feed bones extra Ca is not recommended because raw diet is rich in Ca.
You can give him supplements for joints: glucosamine, MSM, chondroityne and HA

michaelundinaeichhorn · 17-03-2012, 18:50

And as canines don´t only eat meet you should at least add some green rumen.

avgrunn · 17-03-2012, 19:38

My Urobach is 14 months old, as for now he eats dry food (good one with supplements for joints) with vegetables, mostly carrots, and a litte bit of meat (we are thinking about switching to raw food only when he is fully grown) From time to time he gets a veal bone.
When he was a puppy he had almost the same diet as now, though the dry food had different ingredients so we had to give him those supplements that jefta was writing about.
The truth is that Urobach had and has the same diet as our other dogs of different breeds. They have the same dry food, they eat bones and vegetables and meat, their diet is just diverse.

buidelwolf · 22-03-2012, 08:00

Hello Andrei,

Two years ago, there happened to be a topic on what to feed your dog and whether or not to use supplements > click here.

I myself am convinced from a health point of view of feeding raw, but make it as complete as possible ( so not only chicken necks).

Andrei · 24-03-2012, 14:27

Thank you so much for your feedback.It is very important for me to hear other czech owners opinion in order to decide and to understand what is best for my puppy.I trust my breeder advice, but I'm wide open to the knowledge and experience acumulated and shared here by you.Thank you so much.

yukidomari · 24-03-2012, 19:40

I don't think any Czech owners have replied here!

17-03-2012, 14:35	#1
Andrei Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Romania Posts: 4	Minerals required for a puppy Hi! I have a 22 weeks old puppy and I am not sure what are the ammount of minerals/day.I gave him 4 tablets of "Pet Phos Croissance Ca/P" till now and he is doing fine, but I followed the advice of a doctor that is a bit uncertain as a pro so I would like your opinions on this matter.The dog is great, wonderful, playfull, but some advices and suggestions are kindly welcome.Thank you in advance.

17-03-2012, 17:10	#5
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Chicken alone is not a balanced raw diet. Especially so if you're not feeding whole chickens inclusive of organs but only like chicken quarters. On average chicken is 30% bone content which is already too much for long term feeding esp to puppies. It's also lacking in most minerals including copper and iron. if you won't be supplementing with vegetables, red meat is a necessity as well as secreting organs.. Better to do a more thorough read on feeding a raw diet, a wrongly balanced one is worse than just feeding kibble. What about a better quality kibble? Most kibble already has border line high Ca/P amounts. Feeding too much Ca/P causes rapid bone growth lacking in density according to large studies. __________________ "Learn to do well; seek judgment." www.greyfarer.com/

17-03-2012, 19:38	#9
avgrunn Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Trójmiasto Posts: 1,756	My Urobach is 14 months old, as for now he eats dry food (good one with supplements for joints) with vegetables, mostly carrots, and a litte bit of meat (we are thinking about switching to raw food only when he is fully grown) From time to time he gets a veal bone. When he was a puppy he had almost the same diet as now, though the dry food had different ingredients so we had to give him those supplements that jefta was writing about. The truth is that Urobach had and has the same diet as our other dogs of different breeds. They have the same dry food, they eat bones and vegetables and meat, their diet is just diverse. Last edited by avgrunn; 17-03-2012 at 19:55.

24-03-2012, 19:40	#12
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	I don't think any Czech owners have replied here! __________________ "Learn to do well; seek judgment." www.greyfarer.com/

17-03-2012, 18:50	#8
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	And as canines don´t only eat meet you should at least add some green rumen.

22-03-2012, 08:00	#10
buidelwolf senior member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 163	Hello Andrei, Two years ago, there happened to be a topic on what to feed your dog and whether or not to use supplements > click here. I myself am convinced from a health point of view of feeding raw, but make it as complete as possible ( so not only chicken necks).

24-03-2012, 14:27	#11
Andrei Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Romania Posts: 4	Thank you so much for your feedback.It is very important for me to hear other czech owners opinion in order to decide and to understand what is best for my puppy.I trust my breeder advice, but I'm wide open to the knowledge and experience acumulated and shared here by you.Thank you so much.