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03-10-2002, 13:24 | #1 |
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German sheperd dog vs Alsatian wolfdog
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Sometime ago it was written on this mailing llist that the former name of the GSD was German Wolfdog. I'd like to have more info about this matter. Anyone? --- Per Olav http://www.norwolf.no
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03-10-2002, 13:49 | #2 |
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Hoi Per,
The former name was not German wolfdog buth Alsatian wolfdog. Alsatian = Alsace , a region in Germany.(Elzas) at http://www.grapevine.net/~wolf2dog/index.html there is a very well documented article written by Ann Dresselhaus including copy's of some pages of the originals studbook of the GS and more, also a copy of a former Belgian magazine about the Alsatian wolfdog. In Belgium, older people , still speak about "Elzasser" meaning a German shephard and in older books (for instance Juliette de Bairacly Levy , a vet.) they write about the alsatian wolfdog , meaning GS. Greets Roger Belgium. |
03-10-2002, 15:39 | #3 |
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Thank you Roger.
Love and .. eh... hugs :-) --- Per Olav |
03-10-2002, 15:51 | #4 |
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I believe the name was Alsatian Wolfdog.
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06-10-2002, 22:47 | #5 |
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German sheperd dog vs Alsatian wolfdog
Hi everyone.
I have read Ann's article regarding the origin of the GSD. In her article Ann says "The original German Shepherd studbook, Zuchtbuch fur Deutche Schaferhunde (SZ), shows several pure wolves were used to 'create' the breed". In my letter to the Norwegian Minister of Justice this statement may be a valuable one. If the origin of the GSD is a cross of dog and wolf, there should be no need of a Norwegian banning of the CSV because the origin of the the two breeds (CSV and GSD) are equal and the GSD is one of the most popular working breeds in Norway. The content of Ann's statement regarding the origin of the GSD is denied by someone obviously very much familiar to the GSD. In order to present facts I do have to have this statement verified. Anyone? Please. --- Per Olav |
06-10-2002, 23:12 | #6 |
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Per,
At the same http where you found the article there is a copy of a few pages of the original zuchtbuch fur deutsche schaferhunde (SZ) Band 1 to 70000 erste teil 1 to 37000 . Look at number 65 the mother is a mix schaferhund X wolfin. And there are more on this pages. Gr. Roger. |
06-10-2002, 23:17 | #7 |
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On the same http where You found the article of Ann Dresselhaus there is a copy of one page of the orignial zuchtbuch fur Deutsdche Schaferhunde. for instance nr. 65 "wolffs von wolfsnest" , his mother is a cross between a German shephard and a wolf. "wanda-saar halbblut aus schafer und wolfin" Gr. Roger |
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Try this one: http://www;grapvine.net/~WOLF2dog/uhistory.htm than click on the art.icle sept. 18 2000 "history of the german shephard." there are six copies , one of them is a page of the original zucht book gs. There you can see for yourself Ann Dresselhaus can tell You who you have to contact for a copy of the original. I'm sure she will help You when she reads this, isn't it Ann? Succes Roger. Belgium. |
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documentation. Hopefully he will join this list, or reply to me and I will be happy to share his answer. |
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http://www.grapevine.net/~wolf2dog/uhistory.htm Greetings, Margo
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Hi Margo.
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:-) I was not sure if cross of wolf and GSD is recognized as a topic on our list, and if this is causing someones trouble, I better leave the list instead of causing any harm. As I previously wrote, - this might be an interressting topic regarding the proposed banning of wolfdogs in Norway. If the popular and most used workingdog of Norway, the GSD, in its origin is a wolf/dog cross, the authorities should have problems banning a breed like the CSV. If a situation like the Norwegian is supposed to occur in other European countries, then this argument also might be a good one for others:-) Regards Per Olav |
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I'm a really interested in crosses between wolf and GSD. I translated some texts about history of GSD for online service about German Shepherd Dogs and many of the first GSDs were wolfdogs (you can see it on the photos ). I also spoke about it with Mr. Hartl and he told me also Stephanitz tryied to use wolf do make GSD better. The GSD-breeders say now the crosses where shy and absolutely useless. What's funny: they get entirely other results than Mr. Hartl 50 years later.... )) Greetings, Margo
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07-10-2002, 13:14 | #14 |
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Hi Margo
Thats interesting. A Norwegian expert on the subject is absolutely denying any wolf/dog crossing concerning the origin of the GSD, irrespective of the content of the reference made by Mrs. Dresselhaus. Per O. |
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favour of all wolfdogs, as wel CSV as wel as SWH, and surely not off topic. Gr. Roger Belgium. |
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wolves were used to create todays GSD. Almost every breed history available on the web says about wolfdogs used in the breeding. Greetings, Przemek |
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Can you tell me what expert you are referring to? Sanna |
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"100 Jahre - der Deutsche Schäferhund". Here is one funny part of a texts you can find there: "Besides it he fighted against attempts at crossing GSDs with wolfs: this expert [Stephanitz] knew, wolfsblood is bad for persistence, endurance and sharpness." ))) Greetings, Margo
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by Stephanitz and our F1-F3 crossings ))) He will not be able to show the differences... )) Greetings, Margo
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