U litter of z Molu Es

georgatos · 15-03-2016, 09:45

Hi to all,

on the last change of database the litter U of z Molu Es got a '?' can someone inform me for the reason? I am the owner of a dog with Uny Tossa z Molu Es on his pedigree and my dog have been marked.

Thanks

yukidomari · 15-03-2016, 18:37

All litters of "z molu es" from 2005 and on have been marked, not just "U" litter. The explanation is because this is the start of the kennel's activities in the mutara business.

georgatos · 15-03-2016, 19:50

You have any indication on that? If yes please link it.

From what i understand that doesn't mean that all dogs marked are mutara products.

What tests can be peformed so as the owner to know about their dogs?

thanks

yukidomari · 15-03-2016, 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by lefteris

From what i understand that doesn't mean that all dogs marked are mutara products.

That's exactly correct. For "z molu es" it only marks that the breeder is involved in mutara.

SARKA · 16-03-2016, 11:51

This is ridiculous, what enters the dogs? Kennel z Molu Es has always dogs at 100% of the breed czechoslovakian wolfdog.This site manage the incorrect people who want to harm others breeders.

yukidomari · 17-03-2016, 03:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by SARKA

This is ridiculous, what enters the dogs? Kennel z Molu Es has always dogs at 100% of the breed czechoslovakian wolfdog.This site manage the incorrect people who want to harm others breeders.

Did you read the thread? It indicates the kennel is involved with mutaras is all. Not that all/any dogs are mixes. Unless you're disputing the first point, and that an FCI kennel directly enabling the breeding of illegal mixes is not notable.

SARKA · 17-03-2016, 21:45

it is not true, because they are the dogs are marked with?, and this draws deception to any people who would like to buy the dog from this kennel, I call it unfair competition

georgatos · 18-03-2016, 08:29

Even though i understand what the mark is (at least now) while i was searching for a nice female the marks made me skip some litters.

SARKA · 22-03-2016, 17:40

This is in response breeder Monika Soukupova kennel z Molu Es , I write because she does not have access to this website.

It is really incredible that someone in Los Angeles knows what I
I dealt with and what I'm involved.

Forgotten, however, that since 1996 I acted as Bulldog and I begged
finish the question marks since 1996!

http://www.woldogs.cz/index.php/chovatelska-stanice

Jolly z Molu Es likely carries genes English Bulldog it will
probably the real reason why Peronówki small, have no hair, some
there are enough brachycephalic: 0) I'm sorry, but I deal with it, unfortunately nothing
do.

yukidomari · 22-03-2016, 19:00

Actually I don't know her, I only repeated what was written by wolfdog.org admin as to the reason given in response to the original question.

(that link http://www.woldogs.cz/index.php/chovatelska-stanice does not work)

Also, is that response a denial about involvement in mutara?

z Peronówki · 04-04-2016, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by SARKA

This is in response breeder Monika Soukupova kennel z Molu Es , I write because she does not have access to this website.
(..)
Jolly z Molu Es likely carries genes English Bulldog it will
probably the real reason why Peronówki small, have no hair, some
there are enough brachycephalic: 0) I'm sorry, but I deal with it, unfortunately nothing do.

Typical Monika: bitterness, blind fury and no contact with reality + luxuriant imagination...

Sounds funny for somebody who knows that you are not only using OUR dogs for breeding

but also I never saw "z Molu Es" having such reach coat as some of our dogs have (I do not speak about the longhaired "Shepherd Dogs" which you promote so much) ...

What is funny - for the first time I heard doubts about the "z Molu Es" pedigrees.... in Czech Republic (it was said by member of the board of the Czech CzW Club).
The fact is that the Czech CzW Club has proofs showing clearly that Monika Soukupova was the "head" of the Mutara fraud committed in Czech Republic.... Without her there woud be no mixes in Czech Republic and no mixes in Italy.... It is why so many people from CZ are affraid that she will try to import the Mutara-blood to Czech Republic in a hidden manner to put the Czech CzW Club with a fait accompli. (words (c) by one of the Czech board members)
Monika Soukupova is discredited as a breeder and as a FCI judge FCI so I do not know why she wonder that other Wolfdog owners have so negative opinion about her?

I do not feel sorry for her. With cheating the Czech Club and FCI regulations she opened the Pandora box - cheaters from other coutries show Monika's work to justify their frauds.... She is also the biggest promotor of the mutts in Italy... So no wonder that she is treated as a black sheep in the Czech Republic and breeders avoid using dogs from her kennel... Lets be honest. 15 years ago people were proud of having a "z Molu Es" dog. Now it is HUGE shame...

Anyway if somebody is interested in FACTS (and not about fairy tales told by Monika/Sarka) - it is possible to find the whole story about registration of the mixes in Czech Republic here on Wolfdog.... everybody can see that Monika Soukopuva in the swamp up to her ears....
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=820
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5747

z Peronówki · 04-04-2016, 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Actually I don't know her

Good for you...

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Also, is that response a denial about involvement in mutara?

She will not deny it here. Monika does not have any scruples to lye to people but not here.... Wolfdog forum contains evidence of her "crime". Written by herself...

z Peronówki · 04-04-2016, 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by SARKA

it is not true, because they are the dogs are marked with?, and this draws deception to any people who would like to buy the dog from this kennel, I call it unfair competition

Hahahaha.. if we would speak about "unfair competition" we should speak about the Italian Club dog shows and the reason why Monika Soukupova is invited there again and again to judge the shows?

The same apply for the second "Mutara-mixes-judge": J.Jedlicka...

Let me quess.... Fabio and the Mutara gang invites them because they know that the Mutara mixes will win? It is also the reason why they do not invite normal expert judges which are NOT involved in the Mutara-Mixes promotion...

Do you think it is fair towards Italian Wolfdog owners? Such categories of selection of judges are sick. It is exactly "unfair competition" where some Italian breeders invite judges which guarantee them some wins...even of the dogs DO NOT deserve it.
Result: even the most untypical Mutara-mixes win a lot.... I saw winner which looks like pure Saarloos and one which look like Malamute-Mix.... Dogs which would never win (they should not even be "excellent" for theor untypical look) if the dog would be judged accoring the breed standard...

Latest example... Mutts which are winning thanks to "Mutara mother"....
http://www.wolfdog.org/shows/id/6733

What is unfair competition? Unfair cometition towards ALL owners of purebreed Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs is to nominate SAARLOOS as the best Junior of the "Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club Dog Show in Italy"....
It is also simultaneously total discreditation of the judge who is bragin herself to be expert for wolfdogs. No wonder that the "mother of the Mutara-Mixes" is invited only by the Italian (Saarloos-Mixes) Club and black-listed by all other (purebreed) breed clubs...

SARKA · 05-04-2016, 14:51

Margo,you can agree with that expo , club show ...Club Italian call judges who do not recognize or do not want to recognize a pure cz wolfdog.
I did not speak of what she has manipulated Soukupova but because her dogs have?, We both know that she has not used Mutara but which made them use to others.

yukidomari · 08-04-2016, 17:42

Posts 15-17: please post English equivalents on the English forum, or re-post to the Czech forum. These posts will be moved accordingly in the next several days to comply.

yukidomari · 11-04-2016, 20:27

Czech language responses and posts were moved to:

http://wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=25713

sdivokoukrvi · 12-04-2016, 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Posts 15-17: please post English equivalents on the English forum, or re-post to the Czech forum. These posts will be moved accordingly in the next several days to comply.

I do not speak English, but I'm Czech breeder and this touches me, you gossiping about my animals, which have a solid pedigree in. You sure know how to use the translator and you are intelligent enough to make you understand what I write

sdivokoukrvi · 12-04-2016, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukidomari

Czech language responses and posts were moved to:

http://wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=25713

Please therefore competent explanations and evidence. Very I was amused. Since 9 years I've u CSV (not too much) are the same arguments

yukidomari · 12-04-2016, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alissea

I do not speak English, but I'm Czech breeder and this touches me, you gossiping about my animals, which have a solid pedigree in. You sure know how to use the translator and you are intelligent enough to make you understand what I write

I didn't say anything about your animals... And in fact you too can use a translator and post it here if you feel that it is enough to convey your thoughts.

yukidomari · 12-04-2016, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alissea

Please therefore competent explanations and evidence. Very I was amused. Since 9 years I've u CSV (not too much) are the same arguments

what do you want explanations and evidence of, specifically?

15-03-2016, 09:45	#1
georgatos Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 15	U litter of z Molu Es Hi to all, on the last change of database the litter U of z Molu Es got a '?' can someone inform me for the reason? I am the owner of a dog with Uny Tossa z Molu Es on his pedigree and my dog have been marked. Thanks

15-03-2016, 18:37	#2
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	All litters of "z molu es" from 2005 and on have been marked, not just "U" litter. The explanation is because this is the start of the kennel's activities in the mutara business. __________________ "Learn to do well; seek judgment." www.greyfarer.com/

16-03-2016, 11:51	#5
SARKA Arimminum Kennel Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rimini Posts: 1,230	This is ridiculous, what enters the dogs? Kennel z Molu Es has always dogs at 100% of the breed czechoslovakian wolfdog.This site manage the incorrect people who want to harm others breeders. __________________ Sarka Matrasova www.lupocecoslovacco.it

17-03-2016, 21:45	#7
SARKA Arimminum Kennel Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rimini Posts: 1,230	it is not true, because they are the dogs are marked with?, and this draws deception to any people who would like to buy the dog from this kennel, I call it unfair competition __________________ Sarka Matrasova www.lupocecoslovacco.it

22-03-2016, 17:40	#9
SARKA Arimminum Kennel Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rimini Posts: 1,230	This is in response breeder Monika Soukupova kennel z Molu Es , I write because she does not have access to this website. It is really incredible that someone in Los Angeles knows what I I dealt with and what I'm involved. Forgotten, however, that since 1996 I acted as Bulldog and I begged finish the question marks since 1996! http://www.woldogs.cz/index.php/chovatelska-stanice Jolly z Molu Es likely carries genes English Bulldog it will probably the real reason why Peronówki small, have no hair, some there are enough brachycephalic: 0) I'm sorry, but I deal with it, unfortunately nothing do. __________________ Sarka Matrasova www.lupocecoslovacco.it

15-03-2016, 19:50	#3
georgatos Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 15	You have any indication on that? If yes please link it. From what i understand that doesn't mean that all dogs marked are mutara products. What tests can be peformed so as the owner to know about their dogs? thanks

18-03-2016, 08:29	#8
georgatos Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 15	Even though i understand what the mark is (at least now) while i was searching for a nice female the marks made me skip some litters.

22-03-2016, 19:00	#10
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Actually I don't know her, I only repeated what was written by wolfdog.org admin as to the reason given in response to the original question. (that link http://www.woldogs.cz/index.php/chovatelska-stanice does not work) Also, is that response a denial about involvement in mutara? __________________ "Learn to do well; seek judgment." www.greyfarer.com/ Last edited by yukidomari; 22-03-2016 at 19:10.

05-04-2016, 14:51	#14
SARKA Arimminum Kennel Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rimini Posts: 1,230	Margo,you can agree with that expo , club show ...Club Italian call judges who do not recognize or do not want to recognize a pure cz wolfdog. I did not speak of what she has manipulated Soukupova but because her dogs have?, We both know that she has not used Mutara but which made them use to others. __________________ Sarka Matrasova www.lupocecoslovacco.it

08-04-2016, 17:42	#15
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Posts 15-17: please post English equivalents on the English forum, or re-post to the Czech forum. These posts will be moved accordingly in the next several days to comply. __________________ "Learn to do well; seek judgment." www.greyfarer.com/ Last edited by yukidomari; 08-04-2016 at 17:52.

11-04-2016, 20:27	#16
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Czech language responses and posts were moved to: http://wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=25713 __________________ "Learn to do well; seek judgment." www.greyfarer.com/