czw puppy

[Rush]

Hello,
I'm new to this forum and with new czw puppy ..He is 8weeks old now, got him at the age between 5-6 weeks..Well i just wanted to say hi to everyone for now

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Rush

Hello,
I'm new to this forum and with new czw puppy ..He is 8weeks old now, got him at the age between 5-6 weeks..Well i just wanted to say hi to everyone for now

Hi and good luck with you puppy! Is this your first czw?

[Shadowlands]

Welcome to your new world and have fun with your new companion.
This is the best place for information and help when the going gets tough (which it probably will, then you can laugh about it after )

[Rush]

Yes, It is my first czw.. I can put some pictures later :-)

[Rush]

So i have a question for czw owners now..Did a czw as a puppy ever attack you agressively? He bit me pritty fine, he was also snarling very much..The whole situation looked very agressive to me..It did heppen two times to me before, but not as much as now..And method pulling/shaking his fur only made it worse..What did somehow work was putting him on his back and holding down until he calmed..But i can do that now as he is puppy, but i doubt i will be able to do it when he grows up..
Oh, what lead to this was putting him on leash and it started, anyway he was looking at something and didn't want to listen to me either..

If i look at other things, he is very fine, smart, and pritty much obidient for a puppy..But it freaks me out that this agression will lead to something worse..

Thanks anyone..

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Rush

So i have a question for czw owners now..Did a czw as a puppy ever attack you agressively? He bit me pritty fine, he was also snarling very much..The whole situation looked very agressive to me..It did heppen two times to me before, but not as much as now..And method pulling/shaking his fur only made it worse..What did somehow work was putting him on his back and holding down until he calmed..But i can do that now as he is puppy, but i doubt i will be able to do it when he grows up..
Oh, what lead to this was putting him on leash and it started, anyway he was looking at something and didn't want to listen to me either..

If i look at other things, he is very fine, smart, and pritty much obidient for a puppy..But it freaks me out that this agression will lead to something worse..

Thanks anyone..

Pups often treat humans as if they were dogs, and use their teeth to communicate their will; and vlcaks are VERY willful, belive me. It has nothing to do with aggression but your aggressive response may stimulate his and in the end you'll end up with a beast

If your pup bites, try to turn his attention to somethig else. Tell him to sit down and give him a treat, start running with him, throw him a ball, etc.
At home take you hand away calmly, put him aside and ignore him. He must learn that he has your attention only when he behaves as you wish.

You have to be very consistent! Only then will he realize what you want from him. Don't get discouraged if these methods don't work. With CSV it's often the case that they seem to be 'deaf and dumb' for quite a while, and then all of the sudden start obeying.

You need to develop a 'common language' with your pup - learn to read his signals and teach him yours. This requires time and a lot of patience on you part! But remember that a good pack leader rules with his brain, not by force, so try to avoid physical confrontation as much as you can.

If you want to teach your pup walking on leash take delicious treats and walk with him prizing him and giving treats when he walks nicely. Do it in short sessions few times a day. I'd also recommend teaching him giving back food/bones in exchange for other treats as early as possible. It's important to practise it when the pup is little This will also strenghten your position of a leader.

I'd advise you to adopt one principle: if you don't understand your pup's behaviour don't judge him, but try to figure out what he wants to tell you

Talking about aggression, have you ever seen CSVs playing with each other?

PS I remember during our first walks Lorka often used to suddenly sit down and for a few minutes watch the environment. This was part of the learning/socialisation process.

[Rush]

Thanks for replay
Well i did see them playing, it isn't the same i would say..Also the breeder gave me advise that in such "agressive attack" case i should slap him on nose as i would "bite" back and have to win the battle always..So that won't happen when he grows, as he realizes that he shouldn't do it.
Ofcourse i use un-psyhical methods if it works...But she said that works best for her..Probably she knows what she is talking about, also she breeds for 7 years..
I was just a bit frustrated so i had to ask here, didn't know when she will answer :-)
And ofcourse i always use "positive reinforcement" when he does as he is supposed to.
If you have any more special advises about such behavior please tell me :-)

Thanks.

[Rush]

Anyway about walking on leash..He does know it already, it was just yesterday problem after some time..Thats why i mentioned..I was teaching him to walk.."heel"? Is that the english word for walking by feet?..He already did walk pretty well that way too..But just sometimes he struggles :-)..
But he's just a czw puppy..We have lots of time for exercises later.

[GalomyOak]

If you got your puppy early at 5.5 weeks, as you said, it's possible your pup didn't learn enough about bite inhibition from his littermates. Generally the time between 4-7/8 weeks is considered an important time for socialization for littermates (this can also be a problem also if there is only one pup in a litter). In this time, puppies bite eachother in play, and learn (when their brothers and sisters yelp in pain) how hard is TOO hard to bite. I would speak with a good trainer, try to find some good articles by searching for "bite inhibition", and remember that you do have a puppy. Rolling a young pup on it's back (alpha rolling) can have some bad effects on the puppy mentally...again, find a good trainer. Like Rona said, wolfdogs can seem...emm, crazy, deaf, defiant...and then one day, the "storm is over". Good luck!

[Rush]

Well, first of all i don't think there is any czw trainer at my place(Slovenia) and second, when he is biting as playing, he is gentle, however i have reduced his biting to human, shoes etc. for like 50% already..And as his breeder said it's normal and anyway she always gives me advises about it..I think i will be able to handle it alone, but however such attacking behavior will not be tolerated..
And as i said in other aspects he is very nice and obidient. And yes ofcourse, he is just a puppy.

Thank you all

[Rush]

Oh and guys dont understand me wrong about slapping his nose, i would never beat him..and about early taking him at 5.5weeks i totally understand about bite inhibition, so i have to teach him that..Thankfully i always got answers from breeder, and if you ask me i think she is very good with it. But more opinions are always welcome.. Thank you all..

[saschia]

I wouldn't think rolling the pup on the ground would harm it - after all the mother does it all the time. But it should be of course used sparely and with knowing what I mean by it.

[Rush]

And about alpha roll..i use it only for hard corrections if "no!" doesnt work and other soft corrections dont work too..as in such attack or too rough playing when over excited ..for example on walks he would start hunting my pants and biting ..but usually i dont need any force and doesnt happen often.. And i learn all the time, read as much i can, i started few months before he was born and planned..The problem is just that most websites offers same info, short and not so much needed..Also i started socialization immediately from next day he was brought home.. And aggresion as i was talking is rare too..i think he also understood what he did when i showed him my finger with little blood and he looked kinda sorry, he was then gentle, smelled it and licked it..he wouldnt bite it again at that point.. Now tell me about how you teach them not to hunt? He was up to some ducks last time..breeder said if of leash i should run and hide, or correct him if leashed.. What methods you use?

[vila]

Hello,

če sem prav razumela Rush si iz Slovenije. Tudi jaz imam prvič czw in sicer samičko staro 4,5 mesecev. Kar opisuješ mi je zelo znano, od prvega dne ko smo jo pripeljali domov je njena igra "agresivna". Vse nas je že močno pogrizla,
probali smo že kar nekaj metod, pa je vsaka prvič delovala, čez par dni pa ni več delovalo, kot bi postala "odporna". Zdaj jo primemo za zgornjo čeljust da jo malo zaboli in rečemo NE. Zelo je vztrajna z zobmi ko hoče od nas izsiliti igro.
Drugače je pa krasna, vedno je vesela kužkov in ljudi na sprehodu, vsem se pusti božati, z drugimi kužki se krasno razume. Do mlajših majhnih kužkov je izredno prijazna in zelo nežna. Z nami pa vedno znova preizkuša meje.
Pa še glede vaje "skrivanje" je res super, tako veselje ko me najde.
Na sprehodu jo dostikrat spustimo s povodca, ko sreča kakega kužka se jo ne da priklicati, tako da začnem teči sama naprej in ko ugotovi da me ni takoj pride za mano.
Vesela sem da je še kdo iz slo na tem forumu,
pa če imaš kak nasvet ali vprašanje kar napiši.

Eva

[Rush]

Zdravo Eva,

Z agresivnostjo nisem mislil na igro, to grize vedno v igri in tako, kar sem mislil je bil pravi napad, močno renčanje, močen ugriz do krvi..Kar sicer ni pogosto..
Vzrediteljca mi je rekla da mu morem dat klofuto v tem primeru, in vedno zmagat, saj se zavedam da ko bo odrastel ne bom več močnejši od njega, zato morm to zdaj zrihtat..S kje pa si? Vem da je v naših koncih ena samička, Radovljica..
Nebi bilo slabo da bi se enkrat dobili da se igrata..

Lep pozdrav,
Matevž

[Rush]

Two picture of my czw pup..Hope i uploaded it right.. :-)

[yukidomari]

Hello! Congrats on your new puppy!

'now tell me about how you teach them not to hunt? He was up to some ducks last time..breeder said if of leash i should run and hide, or correct him if leashed.. What methods you use?'

If I knew my dog would run off after animals, then I will not let him or her off leash until we have proofed a good ' leave it' command. But of course it takes a long time, and even then some dogs' prey drive is too strong to teach an infallible ' leave it' to, and those dogs just cannot be off leash then.. I have a dog like that so she is never off leash.

[Rush]

Well becouse of such reasons i try to have him off-leash as much as posibble, so he will learn that he can freely run few meters from me or beside me if he is good with that and so he wouldn't run away..Becouse in my opinion if i would have him leashed all the time and then i would try to have him off-leash he might get that as: "I'm free to do anything i want now"..I'm not experienced but just my opinon..
So i try to have him unleashed and control and correct him when needed..So that he would know that even if he is free of leash there are still limits..
Maybe i think wrong, but i will see it trought time..
Also at home, i'm starting to leave him alone on yard for few minutes and give him praise when i come back..
Anyway as he is puppy he is afraid to be alone(Thats reason for hunting-run away). And it's always true, he never goes far, he always follows..And i hope i can teach him to keep that behavior even when he grows up..

Thanks for help
Matevž

[Tassle]

It is always best when training dogs to try and set them up to get things right.

Often if you train with punishment based methods, the punishments have to become increasingly more severe as the dog get the rewards from life.

I would start (as another person mentioned) teaching a leave it command on low value items, moving towards higher value as he learns the command better.

I have sometimes used a trail lead (with harness) to allow the dog freedom without restraint, but allowing me to retain control and prevent the dog from gaining any reward (in this situation, a chase) from the environment.

I used this with my CsVx when he was younger to teach him to ignore Sheep. It is still a work in progress and I would NEVER trust him off lead around them, but he can quite happily ignore their presence now.

[yukidomari]

Well at eight weeks, your pup doesn't have a fully developed prey drive anyway. But it would be dangerous for me to let a developing adolescent dog who hadn't been proofed off leash.. He could get hit by a car or shot for harassing wild life here. But, that's here, and may not apply to you. Good luck with your training.