Northern inuit dog

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by Navajo

I agree, however what about breeding contracts, you can only breed from the bitch/dog to a pure bred bitch/dog, that means that those who want to breed pure can and the rest can forget importing a pure bred to cross.

Is AI an option in the dog world?

I quite agree I would have no problem about having a contract for only breeding with uther CSD... If this meens Getting a new dogs into the country im sure most people would be happy with it and if they wernt, dont sell to them.....

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Navajo

I agree, however what about breeding contracts, you can only breed from the bitch/dog to a pure bred bitch/dog, that means that those who want to breed pure can and the rest can forget importing a pure bred to cross.

Is AI an option in the dog world?

What is AI?

Breeding contracts are a nice thing but don´t help in the end because we talk about different countries what makes legal action very difficult. And if the contract is broken there are several mixed puppies causing more problems.

I don´t think serious people will have a problem finding new blood. But this would mean:

1. to look for good puppies all over Europe not just next door or in the next country.

2. Go to meetings, visit breeders, get informed especially in the countries of origin (and both of them) and in countries that follow their rules. Go to special Club shows with qualified judges and to bonitations.
You won´t have a problem to get new blood if people see you care for that and you will meet good breeders there.

3. Not to think that it is enough to buy a few dogs and breed in your own country. That won´t work. I you are serious to build up proper breeding you will have to travel a lot for mating, bonitations and shows. Travel to the other end of Europe when necessary, and it will be necessary very often.

4. Not to follow some "specialists" in your own country but to make up your mind and to learn by yourself, what only works following 2.

All of this will take years, a lot of time and a lot of money but for me it is the only way. I wouldn´t mind to sell a puppy to GB if I would know the person and would see he cares and knows his breed.

Ina

[saschia]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

What is AI?

I think it means artificial insemination? In Slovak breeding rules I think it is allowed and I can see that there might be occasion where AI would be beneficial, but it always should be used only if normal breeding is out of the question (like breeding bitch by male from another continent).

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

You won´t have a problem to get new blood if people see you care for that and you will meet good breeders there. ... I wouldn´t mind to sell a puppy to GB if I would know the person and would see he cares and knows his breed.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant in my previous post.

[Navajo]

Ina,

If it has to take years then so be it. All great things are worth the wait.

I like the idea of potential owners and breeders visiting the shows and perhaps having visits to the larger European kennels, maybe that's a possibility?

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Navajo

I agree, however what about breeding contracts, you can only breed from the bitch/dog to a pure bred bitch/dog, that means that those who want to breed pure can and the rest can forget importing a pure bred to cross.

Is AI an option in the dog world?

hi steven ferguson from scotland sat in my house and signed an agreement which my wife witnessed that he would never cross bred his cwd he also signed that the dog was for him and not being sold on to third party, he cross bred the dog after 1 yr, so a contract is not worth the paper it is written on, i could go to scotland and take the dog, but then i end up in prison, the only reason i do not go and take the dog is because i have wife and two young children to think of, so if you read this steven think yourself lucky i have much to loose or i would be at your door for my dog,, it is possable to AI in uk with premission of the kennel club,,,,

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Navajo

Ina,

If it has to take years then so be it. All great things are worth the wait.

I like the idea of potential owners and breeders visiting the shows and perhaps having visits to the larger European kennels, maybe that's a possibility?

In my opinion that is the only way to get a good dog from a good breeder no matter what breed you want to buy. And I wouldn´t go for the larger kennels but to the kennels with the best dogs and the most satisfied puppyowners, who you get to know on meetings. The largest ones are not necessarily the best ones - though they can be.

Ina

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Mikael

No I meant crossing whit Saarloos, GSD or new wolves whitaot any tests...Crossing a CsV whit labrador I think nobody will do becose there are no reasen...

But yes I know there are pedigree Saarloos whit CsV in the bood line, and that might bee good fore the Saarloos wolfhound but I do not think nobody wonts Saarloos in there CsV pedigree, if you know what I mean...

/ M

my personal opinion is only cross cwd with pure wolf to help with new blood line, and i think if put to any kennell club they will agree to this as long as you come away again by mybe 4-5 generations, but to breed to the so called inuit that after all are not even a classified breed of dog yet, but breeders have showen through there ignorance and lack of breeding knowledge that all they have produced so far after many years are dogs that now have major health problems, they have not produced type after all these years, hardly two dogs look the same yet they have a club and give a breed standard,,,,??????? so of what use could they ever be to the cwd, none at all, i brought the first czech to uk, had first litter, and all mew owners promised never to use my pups to cross breed, i spent further 5 yrs getting law changed in uk so others could own and enjoy this fantastic breed of dog, someone one day will do a cross breeding that will result in someone getting hurt or mauled and guess what dog will get the blame and once again be classed as a dangerous wild animal,,,,, you got it the cwd,,,, and now the people who cross bred wait on me to get the cwd recognised by the k.c. because if i dont register my first litter then the cwd will not get registration in uk for many many years as there will not be enough dogs, i have no interest in cross bred cwd only with wolf for to better the lines, INA and co dont agree they must think its ok to have so high percent inbreeding in the cwd lines over so short generations but it cant get better unless we have new blood lines, i bring my cwd bitchs to be mated but still the inbreeding is high on percentage, i will breed down from the wolf and my cwd but i will never regiister the pups, i will keep record only for what i do, in short time i will be back to bred true and i will show my dogs photos to all, and there will be new blood line for people interested in saving the breed, i use the european wolf only, look at the wolfdogs from different countries, there is a difference in appearence, charater and type, WHY? if all our pure cwd why is this happening to the breed? health issues will arrise in all breed but in the cwd over last 5-6 yrs look at all the topics in posts, eyes, epilepsy, dwarf, and more, the futer of the breed is in the hands of the breeders most of who are in europe SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT ??????????? What future plans, new bloodline? are clubs talking together to see for the future of the breed or is every one waiting till it end up to late,, this is a registered cwd ARTEMIS TESTAMONIUM DIABOLI is this within breed standard, is this the future of what is to come, the breed is declining in type rapidly throughout Europe and its all on this web site for all to see, kennel blind is not an excuse for not taking action, I REST MY CASE......pacino

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by wolfeywolf

after searching for a CzW or SW for many years, i was delighted to be
offered a pup as i am in the uk. but due to an unknown sorce email i was
rejected because i have an english breed known as the northern inuit dog.
even more distressing to find out was that someone who has utonagan (a breed
that up until 1 month ago we're also known as northern inuit but as faction
club registering unknown dogs and they we're unconected with the northern
inuit society!) has 3 booked for next year!
i am at home all day, willing to give endless walks. we have even sold our
house so we can have more room for our dogs to play. i was willing to comply
to all breeding terms even if extreme.
This utonagan owners is already advertising CzW and SW pups but due to a
mutal 'friend' of hers and formally mine, who's dogs i washed when they had
mange, and scrubbed the died feaces from her bedroom carpet and helpped find
homes for her pups only to be cast aside because i was pregnant! getting one
from her would be impossible.
i even invited the gentleman with the CzW to check my reffs from our vet,
dog warden and a show judge/breeder of 30 years.

how do you quailify to be a new owner?

who is the breeder? why do they turn you down?

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by wolfeywolf

hello koos de graaff,
my name is laura. i had a puppy offered to me, and was told it would be
imported, i was willing to pay the £1900 asking price but because i have
northern inuit dogs i was then sent an email saying he didn't want me to
have one because i had these dogs. northern inuit dogs are the uk wolf
alike. very soft and loving as you will know from your own type of dog. but
because i own this breed i have been black listed. the breeders won't reply
to my emails and this has distressed me a lot as i have dreamed of having a
CzW or SW. we are moving house so we have extra room for the dogs, i'm at
home all day, i have references from my vet, dog warden and many others to
prove that i love my dogs (or as my family thinks, my life works round them)
i would love one of these dogs and feel hurt at the fact that i have had no
reply or explanation.
laura

hi Laura i have turned down two people this week for cwd puppy, one person as they already owned lots of dogs and they have full time job, the other i turned down because they where banned from owning dogs for 5 yrs by the courts, it sounds like you have been turned down as it seems the inuit people what to improve there dogs with cwd cross, if this is the case then it would be easier to get a cwd x inuit for the cross breeders are knocking them out enough in the uk and charging plenty for them as well, there are lots of people advertising them, pacino

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by farena

Hello,

I didn´t want to mean that everybody here are like this, but I´ve found some of them. On the other hand, here in Spain there is a wolfdog called Ivayn (I think so) and their owners are quite nice people.

Hi Farena i exported two cwd to Spain last year they are doing well and live in area just outside Alicnate, I lived in La Hoya about 19 k from Alicante for two years, i love the Spannish why of life it reminds me of home in Ireland everything is so laid back and easy going, I have many great Spannish friends who i visit every year, i think maybe this year when the dogs are over two years my friends will breed, we will use stud dog from other friends in Europe so hopefully this year there will be some more cwd in Spain,,, best regards from uk paul and mandy

[saschia]

Originally Posted by solowolf

my personal opinion is only cross cwd with pure wolf to help with new blood line, and i think if put to any kennell club they will agree to this

Pacino, no sane kennel club will agree to that in present time and circumstance. We have enough animals to breed with, and we could be much better off if only breeders would go along with a plan or at least would follow at least some rules, like using only bonitated and X rayed dogs, ideally with at least some kind of work/sports exam. The largest problem in my opinion is that in lots of countries people are just breeding their dogs as they like, but as they are not experienced judges of exterior or character, they create animals which are actually not very usable for regulated breeding, because they don't follow standard and we don't know anything about their background. And if there is even small chance that they actually used saarloos or inuit or anything else and faked the documentation, then these animals are actually out of the gentic pool available for us.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by solowolf

my personal opinion is only cross cwd with pure wolf to help with new blood line, and i think if put to any kennell club they will agree to this as long as you come away again by mybe 4-5 generations, but to breed to the so called inuit that after all are not even a classified breed of dog yet, but breeders have showen through there ignorance and lack of breeding knowledge that all they have produced so far after many years are dogs that now have major health problems, they have not produced type after all these years, hardly two dogs look the same yet they have a club and give a breed standard,,,,??????? so of what use could they ever be to the cwd, none at all, i brought the first czech to uk, had first litter, and all mew owners promised never to use my pups to cross breed, i spent further 5 yrs getting law changed in uk so others could own and enjoy this fantastic breed of dog, someone one day will do a cross breeding that will result in someone getting hurt or mauled and guess what dog will get the blame and once again be classed as a dangerous wild animal,,,,, you got it the cwd,,,, and now the people who cross bred wait on me to get the cwd recognised by the k.c. because if i dont register my first litter then the cwd will not get registration in uk for many many years as there will not be enough dogs, i have no interest in cross bred cwd only with wolf for to better the lines, INA and co dont agree they must think its ok to have so high percent inbreeding in the cwd lines over so short generations but it cant get better unless we have new blood lines, i bring my cwd bitchs to be mated but still the inbreeding is high on percentage, i will breed down from the wolf and my cwd but i will never regiister the pups, i will keep record only for what i do, in short time i will be back to bred true and i will show my dogs photos to all, and there will be new blood line for people interested in saving the breed, i use the european wolf only, look at the wolfdogs from different countries, there is a difference in appearence, charater and type, WHY? if all our pure cwd why is this happening to the breed? health issues will arrise in all breed but in the cwd over last 5-6 yrs look at all the topics in posts, eyes, epilepsy, dwarf, and more, the futer of the breed is in the hands of the breeders most of who are in europe SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT ??????????? What future plans, new bloodline? are clubs talking together to see for the future of the breed or is every one waiting till it end up to late,, this is a registered cwd ARTEMIS TESTAMONIUM DIABOLI is this within breed standard, is this the future of what is to come, the breed is declining in type rapidly throughout Europe and its all on this web site for all to see, kennel blind is not an excuse for not taking action, I REST MY CASE......pacino

Old post, Originally posted by Mikael
I think people are not against new blood or a blood line, but it is important that it is done by experts on CsV and mix-breeding, not by just any privet kennel that has dollar interests...

And the CsV people and clubs are not narrow like udder breeding clubs, in the CsV population new blood can bee added. How many udder breed clubs in Europe are willing to do that ??? only CsV as I know...

But I agree...WHEN ???

And way is there no CSV BLOODLINE FUNDATION for all breeders to put money into after every litter if they wont ??? maby like 5% / litter, and maby (wee) will have money to make some new bloodlines in the future...

Best regards / Mikael

[loup-de-bretagne]

Originally Posted by solowolf

i use the european wolf only

Do you have a European wolf as well? Just curious.

[Navajo]

Paul,

I can see the logic in introducing new blood in the form of a pure European wolf to improve the breed but my only question would be, where would the high wolf content offspring end up? Obviously they wouldn't be classed as 'pets'.

I do disagree with one of your comments regarding no two inuit/inuit type dogs looking alike. One Devon breeder has definitely bred alot of very similar looking pups and dogs and often you'd be hard pushed to tell that they weren't pure bred.

[wolfin]

Sory, but now you make only mix and pet, and not help to breed, but play God.
This cann make SK club and not others. Yours dog all thime be only mix and not be real pure CSW and now and 10 or more year latter.
and You and others from UK make big eyes when breeder not wish sale for UK pupps.

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Sory, but now you make only mix and pet, and not help to breed, but play God.
This cann make SK club and not others. Yours dog all thime be only mix and not be real pure CSW and now and 10 or more year latter.
and You and others from UK make big eyes when breeder not wish sale for UK pupps.

i dont breed or cross breed but i want to bread mine next year, just becouse there are a few breeders that do dusnt mean we all will or do. dont tell me that there isnt any breeders out side the uk who has never cross bread . just becouse some do dont ruin it for the rest of us. seems to me u just dont want them over here for your own interests. maybe u dont get on with one or two of the breaders over here, thats your problem but dont take it out on the rest of the people over here.....

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by tikaani

i dont breed or cross breed but i want to bread mine next year, just becouse there are a few breeders that do dusnt mean we all will or do. dont tell me that there isnt any breeders out side the uk who has never cross bread . just becouse some do dont ruin it for the rest of us. seems to me u just dont want them over here for your own interests. maybe u dont get on with one or two of the breaders over here, thats your problem but dont take it out on the rest of the people over here.....

If you are not a breeder, someone else must have made this post in your name(look at the bottom of the page) :
http://www.k9puppy.co.uk/Breeders/WolfDog.aspx

Greetings Rolf

[wolfin]

very personely reaction maybe ...
I reply to this "breeder" who say: "i use the european wolf only"

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by rolf

If you are not a breeder, someone else must have made this post in your name(look at the bottom of the page) :
http://www.k9puppy.co.uk/Breeders/WolfDog.aspx

Greetings Rolf

thats not me...... my real name is lee, tikanni is just a name i use on here and im from bedford, bedfordshire england uk. i only have 2 dogs and there both 1 year old so i wouldnt be able to of bread them , so def not me....

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by tikaani

thats not me...... my real name is lee, tikanni is just a name i use on here and im from bedford, bedfordshire england uk. i only have 2 dogs and there both 1 year old so i wouldnt be able to of bread them , so def not me....

Ok ! Just a funny coincidence then...

Greetings Rolf