Utonagan - Page 3

kelty500 · 27-01-2006, 01:59

Hello,

I think I may have got the wrong message across in my last email. By saying my dog sleeps on the bed, sits on the setee etc I do not mean he is being dominant. What I mean is he is part of our family and although some people may not agree this is how we treat our animals. He does know who is boss and does as he is told and has actually always been very well trained as is our other dog. What I meant to say is because of his nature and how he is he cannot be treated as the sort of dog you can just let loose and not expect any problems or not expect him to not completely destroy the garden etc etc. He is actually a very shy dog unless you know him very well and can't cope with crowded places or lots of people. This is not anything to do with him not being socialised it is just the way he is. What I mean is you should understand the type of dog you are getting and I can honestly say I would not have my dog with any other personality than the one he has. He is not a utonagan. I have met them and they are nothing like him in looks or temperament.
Hope this explains things a bit better.

Kevin

Mirkawolf · 27-01-2006, 12:50

Ok Kevin,
sorry for misunderstanding you. But me and apparently many people here did not quite figure out, what you wanted to say.
If you like your dog how he is, that is of course only up to you and it is perfectly fine. Just I still do not understand your warnings. You do not know, what you have at home - you think it is maybe wolf-hybrid, it is not Utonagan and most probably it is not CSW.
Behaviour and naturel of wolf-hybrid is absolutely uncomparable of that of Czechoslovakian wolfdog. CSW is a dog breed, for years selected on character, exterior etc.
Yes of course, CSW maybe is not the best dog for beginners and it´s training and raising has its specifications. But so do other breeds. You could hardly recommend a beginner to get pitbull or rottweiler (for example), because they also, if not trained and raised respectfully, can turn out into difficult dogs.

Czunksolov · 27-01-2006, 13:24

Kevin, send us a picture and we might just have some idea what type of dog you have. You've got my interest now so i'm dying to know. Just don't ask me how to send a picture!

Rona · 27-01-2006, 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelty500

1. Wolf dogs to us are completely loyal, trustworthy animals to their pack and family. Cannot be trusted with livestock, small pets etc and must have secure fencing etc and as long as they are brought up properly and with respect they have always given the same back.

Have a look at these pictures:
http://cayo.zperonowki.com/galeria/ulubionykotek
http://cayo.zperonowki.com/galeria/goatsband
It seems Cayo's owners trust her and so does the kitten... However, I'm not sure about the goats

Iowa's owners also trust their dog

But these are DOGS of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog breed, and NOT wolf hybrids!!!

solowolf · 14-02-2006, 21:44

THE UTONAGON IS NOT A RECONISED BREED, NOR HAS IT ANY WOKF CONTENT WHAT SOEVER, THESE DOGS ARE BRED FROM HUSKY CROSS MALAMUTES TO ALSATION CROSS BELGIUM SHEPARDS, ANY RESEMBLENCE TO A WOLFDOG IS JUST A BIT OF LUCK THE BREEDER HAS HAD AND SO THEY CAN CHARGE MORE MONEY FOR THEM, THE NAME UTONAGON IS USED BY A BREEDER FROM NORTH ENGLAND AND WAS TAKEN FROM A BOOK ON NORTH AMERICAN INDIANS, I KNOW THE MAIN BREEDER AND REFUSED TO SELL A WOLFDOG TO THEM ON THE GROUNDS THAT MONEY WAS THE OBJECTIVE NOT THE DOGS, SOME BUYERS HAVE EVEN BEEN GIVEN PEDIGREES FOR THESE DOGS AND TOLD THEY WILL SOON BE RECONISED BY THE KENNEL CLUB, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN, ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN TOLD THIS CAN PHONE THE KENNEL CLUB AND FIND OUT FOR THEMSELFS, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ANY DOGS ONLY BACK STREET BREEDERS EXPLOTING PEOPLE FOR MONEY ,, MR P WINDER

jane · 15-02-2006, 20:28

hi ,. is p winder the paul winder who as his name down as a breeder on the czech wolf dog site ? if im wrong sorry. but mr p winder what is your problem with utonagans? why shout on your last post [eg capitals] i own a utonagan and she is a likeable dog. i have also owned gsh and i had a gshcross labrador and he was likeable to just liked to bark.ok utonagans look like wolves but i think they have a look of the czech wolfdog.i have looked at pictures of the czech wolf dogs as pups my utonagan is 19 weeks old and she as a close look to them.[eg showed a pic of a czech wolfdog to my other half by saying look at this and his reply when did you take that of my dog and i said i dident its a csech wolfdog].for him to make that mistake they must look much alike . back to my first questionif you are the breeder off the czech wolfdog site where do you breed your dogs ?as they are banned in the uk or are you passing them off as somethig else

solowolf · 22-02-2006, 12:53

hi i was unaware that cap locks ment anything in mails i am the mr winder who breeds czech wolfdogs in uk, i can assure you not to worry about anyone cross breeding any pup i have bred, my pups are sold as czech wolfdogs as in dog world add in january 2004, the czech is not a banned breed in uk, but is condemed by defra as dangerous wild animal and must live like one, no access to any public place, kept in special holding unit, never allowed of premisses to were lirnce has been granted, this is why i ask all breeders not to transport any czechs to uk, untill defra give then status as a breed of dog then we can work on setting up an import scheme, everyone is free to do as they wish you can bring one in, the czech wolfdog club of uk and the dogs are underground at present meetings will be set up for the summer and we can met up with the dogs and have a chat, we are fighting defra and kennel club and will be talking to them in near future, there are at present 12 czechs in uk and a breeding program is being set up, they are here to stay with or without the blrssing of defra or the kennel club, i will continue my fight to get them on the register again, and will if possible make an uninvited appearence at crufts again this year , best regards p winder

Joswolf · 21-02-2007, 03:21

I have a litter Saarloos Wolfdogs and some one from England asked about a pup. Could anyone tell if these Saarloos Wolfdogs are legal in England?
greatings
Jos de Bruin
www.wolf-auffang.de

Koos · 21-02-2007, 10:30

Hello Jos,

They are even allowed as a CW, so it is a DEFRA case,

Letty

Morgaine · 21-02-2007, 13:30

I tried to make a reply to this topic but i ended up making a new one i see...

Check my topic: Saarloos in the uk

solowolf · 27-02-2007, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joswolf

I have a litter Saarloos Wolfdogs and some one from England asked about a pup. Could anyone tell if these Saarloos Wolfdogs are legal in England?
greatings
Jos de Bruin
www.wolf-auffang.de

Hi Jos can you email me at [email protected] regarding sending Saarloos to the uk, regards paul

Tawneywolf · 06-12-2007, 23:36

Hello, I have just re-joined the forum after an absence of a good few years now. When I first joined I still had a dog I bought in the early 90's from a lady in Newark called Eddy. I bought my dog as a wolf hybrid. These are now illegal in the UK, and after my old girl dying I got 2 wolf look a like dogs, they are from a breed called Utonagan which means 'Spirit of the Wolf'
Is there anyone else on here who bought one of these dogs around about that time? I would be fascinated to hear about them and what happened to them. I miss my old girl loads still.

27-01-2006, 12:50	#42
Mirkawolf Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brussels Posts: 556	Ok Kevin, sorry for misunderstanding you. But me and apparently many people here did not quite figure out, what you wanted to say. If you like your dog how he is, that is of course only up to you and it is perfectly fine. Just I still do not understand your warnings. You do not know, what you have at home - you think it is maybe wolf-hybrid, it is not Utonagan and most probably it is not CSW. Behaviour and naturel of wolf-hybrid is absolutely uncomparable of that of Czechoslovakian wolfdog. CSW is a dog breed, for years selected on character, exterior etc. Yes of course, CSW maybe is not the best dog for beginners and it´s training and raising has its specifications. But so do other breeds. You could hardly recommend a beginner to get pitbull or rottweiler (for example), because they also, if not trained and raised respectfully, can turn out into difficult dogs. __________________ :: :: :: Cira & Ali & Tulip :: :: :: http://vlcisen.mirkawolf.com

21-02-2007, 03:21	#48
Joswolf Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 757	wolfdogs in England I have a litter Saarloos Wolfdogs and some one from England asked about a pup. Could anyone tell if these Saarloos Wolfdogs are legal in England? greatings Jos de Bruin www.wolf-auffang.de

06-12-2007, 23:36	#52
Tawneywolf Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1	Hello Hello, I have just re-joined the forum after an absence of a good few years now. When I first joined I still had a dog I bought in the early 90's from a lady in Newark called Eddy. I bought my dog as a wolf hybrid. These are now illegal in the UK, and after my old girl dying I got 2 wolf look a like dogs, they are from a breed called Utonagan which means 'Spirit of the Wolf' Is there anyone else on here who bought one of these dogs around about that time? I would be fascinated to hear about them and what happened to them. I miss my old girl loads still.

27-01-2006, 01:59	#41
kelty500 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4	Hello, I think I may have got the wrong message across in my last email. By saying my dog sleeps on the bed, sits on the setee etc I do not mean he is being dominant. What I mean is he is part of our family and although some people may not agree this is how we treat our animals. He does know who is boss and does as he is told and has actually always been very well trained as is our other dog. What I meant to say is because of his nature and how he is he cannot be treated as the sort of dog you can just let loose and not expect any problems or not expect him to not completely destroy the garden etc etc. He is actually a very shy dog unless you know him very well and can't cope with crowded places or lots of people. This is not anything to do with him not being socialised it is just the way he is. What I mean is you should understand the type of dog you are getting and I can honestly say I would not have my dog with any other personality than the one he has. He is not a utonagan. I have met them and they are nothing like him in looks or temperament. Hope this explains things a bit better. Kevin

27-01-2006, 13:24	#43
Czunksolov Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Prestatyn, Wales Posts: 21	Kevin, send us a picture and we might just have some idea what type of dog you have. You've got my interest now so i'm dying to know. Just don't ask me how to send a picture!

14-02-2006, 21:44	#45
solowolf Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 316	THE UTONAGON IS NOT A RECONISED BREED, NOR HAS IT ANY WOKF CONTENT WHAT SOEVER, THESE DOGS ARE BRED FROM HUSKY CROSS MALAMUTES TO ALSATION CROSS BELGIUM SHEPARDS, ANY RESEMBLENCE TO A WOLFDOG IS JUST A BIT OF LUCK THE BREEDER HAS HAD AND SO THEY CAN CHARGE MORE MONEY FOR THEM, THE NAME UTONAGON IS USED BY A BREEDER FROM NORTH ENGLAND AND WAS TAKEN FROM A BOOK ON NORTH AMERICAN INDIANS, I KNOW THE MAIN BREEDER AND REFUSED TO SELL A WOLFDOG TO THEM ON THE GROUNDS THAT MONEY WAS THE OBJECTIVE NOT THE DOGS, SOME BUYERS HAVE EVEN BEEN GIVEN PEDIGREES FOR THESE DOGS AND TOLD THEY WILL SOON BE RECONISED BY THE KENNEL CLUB, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN, ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN TOLD THIS CAN PHONE THE KENNEL CLUB AND FIND OUT FOR THEMSELFS, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ANY DOGS ONLY BACK STREET BREEDERS EXPLOTING PEOPLE FOR MONEY ,, MR P WINDER

15-02-2006, 20:28	#46
jane Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3	hi ,. is p winder the paul winder who as his name down as a breeder on the czech wolf dog site ? if im wrong sorry. but mr p winder what is your problem with utonagans? why shout on your last post [eg capitals] i own a utonagan and she is a likeable dog. i have also owned gsh and i had a gshcross labrador and he was likeable to just liked to bark.ok utonagans look like wolves but i think they have a look of the czech wolfdog.i have looked at pictures of the czech wolf dogs as pups my utonagan is 19 weeks old and she as a close look to them.[eg showed a pic of a czech wolfdog to my other half by saying look at this and his reply when did you take that of my dog and i said i dident its a csech wolfdog].for him to make that mistake they must look much alike . back to my first questionif you are the breeder off the czech wolfdog site where do you breed your dogs ?as they are banned in the uk or are you passing them off as somethig else

22-02-2006, 12:53	#47
solowolf Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 316	hi i was unaware that cap locks ment anything in mails i am the mr winder who breeds czech wolfdogs in uk, i can assure you not to worry about anyone cross breeding any pup i have bred, my pups are sold as czech wolfdogs as in dog world add in january 2004, the czech is not a banned breed in uk, but is condemed by defra as dangerous wild animal and must live like one, no access to any public place, kept in special holding unit, never allowed of premisses to were lirnce has been granted, this is why i ask all breeders not to transport any czechs to uk, untill defra give then status as a breed of dog then we can work on setting up an import scheme, everyone is free to do as they wish you can bring one in, the czech wolfdog club of uk and the dogs are underground at present meetings will be set up for the summer and we can met up with the dogs and have a chat, we are fighting defra and kennel club and will be talking to them in near future, there are at present 12 czechs in uk and a breeding program is being set up, they are here to stay with or without the blrssing of defra or the kennel club, i will continue my fight to get them on the register again, and will if possible make an uninvited appearence at crufts again this year , best regards p winder

21-02-2007, 10:30	#49
Koos Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 731	Hello Jos, They are even allowed as a CW, so it is a DEFRA case, Letty

21-02-2007, 13:30	#50
Morgaine Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 7	I tried to make a reply to this topic but i ended up making a new one i see... Check my topic: Saarloos in the uk