Mixes: de la Louve Blanche (France)

[hekate]

That mean (!_?_!) after the name of a dog, and why my bitche has that

I post still the result of the test DNA of relationship, Darwen is well the daughter of Volos

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Hi,

did you test the mother as well?

[hekate]

She died when my bitch was still young

[woland77]

I think you realize that the test of a single parent has little meaning? Also because it is always the mother that there were doubts...no photo, nobody had never seen...

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Thanks for your reply.

Honni soit qui mal y pense ...

Michael

[hekate]

Originally Posted by woland77

Also because it is always the mother that there were doubts...no photo, nobody had never seen...

You speak without knowing, I have photos of puppies and even a video made by one friends which has the brother of my bitch. He saw the mother Yvanka and every puppies.

On the video Darwen is the one in the foreground which eats all the time LOL

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x94...rs-pas_animals

[hekate]

And has 1mn18s of the video the bitch who run in leash is Yvanka

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by hekate

She died when my bitch was still young

Is it possible to test another offspring from another sire (not Volos CW) but the same listed mother (Yvanka) to determine the likelihood that they are half siblings?

[hekate]

Laboklin does not make this test and I do not know a laboratory who make it.

I know that for human this test is very expensive so if I find a laboratory which made it I do not want to pay 300 or 400 euro just for rumour.

[hekate]

I do not understand why Darwen would not be the daughter of Yvanka, a friend saw the 8 puppies with their mother.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by hekate

I do not understand why Darwen would not be the daughter of Yvanka, a friend saw the 8 puppies with their mother.

Didn't you see the mother with her puppies???
Normally the puppies are with her mother at the time you pick them up.
And the other thing is, frankly said, the breeder of your dog is definitely not an honest man.
He is one of the people responsible for the mess in French breeding.
And in the next future not only in French breeding...

Michael

[hekate]

I did not see the mother because Frank brought me Darwen in Paris so that it is less far for me. I had very often photos of my bitch to see her evolution when she was still has the breeding regrettably I do not have them any more.

But my friend who made the video saw all puppies, during the video and also saw Darwen when he has pick his puppy.

[admin]

Originally Posted by hekate

I do not understand why Darwen would not be the daughter of Yvanka, a friend saw the 8 puppies with their mother.

There is a problem because the (littermate?) of your dog - Demoniak Diamond - is for sure not a purebreed CsW and his puppies show it already clearly - not even one of them remind a CsW.

Because of it the whole litter is "suspicious" - especially that in that time your breeder published ad about litter in internet - on the photos was showed black American Wolfdog with puppies.

So there are several possibilities:
- the whole litters is fraud - the father is Volos but the mother is that AWD
- there are two litters of Volos put together - of Yvanka + puppies of the AWD-female (Demoniak?) - some puppies are pure and some are mixes
- the breeder is ok and according to his words the whole responsibility carry the Crying Wolf dogs. In this case we come back to the question who is the father of Volos - if HE is purebreed CsW. Or maybe really a Saarloos-mix.

So maybe only one of few dogs from this litter are crosses or the father Volos is not purebreed but both things make the whole litter suspicious. I hope you understand it and you will try to help us to solve the problem.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Have a look at the date of birth of the D-litter "de la Louve Blanche",
it's May 7th.
Exactly the time when wolves or high content wolf hybrids are born.
So it should be no problem to mix two litters.

[hekate]

Originally Posted by Admin

I hope you understand it and you will try to help us to solve the problem.

I agree to help you but I can do nothing.
I made the test of relationship on Volos but I cannot make it on a died dog and Volos and Galiba is not my dogs so I can make nothing but I do not find that Volos and Sibir it looks like and nobody puppies of Volos look like has Sibir.

I saw the ad and I think that it is just an image taken on internet and not a wolf he has.

Michael I had suggested you coming to see my bitch, you would have been able to see that she is very pure and also to see a small son of Lorenz Farouk.

[hanninadina]

Jane-Laure, you published here a certificate showing that Volos is the father of Darwen. Did you go to meet Volos, took a hair (genmaterial) from him and gave this hair with genmaterial from Darwen to a laboratory to compare this? Or where did you get the certificate from?

I heard that Franky offers certificates which should prove that his litter is a pure bred csw litter. But if you did not see that this particular hair was from Volos and this hair was checked out, this certificate is werth nothing!

On some pics one can see that Darwen has big paws, like csw would not have. She looks somehow similar to Demoniak, only being a female.

There is a black tame wolvin in France.

And double matings are common by some breeders. And please always remind that Frankie does not breed by himself! He only have males, Volos and Yarl and his son has Wolveryn.

In C-litter you can find that double mating too. Ckynai and C´Pouchka have an american wolfdog father, but others from this litter look like pure bred csw.

Frankie published already in 2006 advertisement of american wolfdogs in france internet, but trying to sell "pure" csw. So Frankie has his "history" in that.

He can breed or better let us say "let others breed under his kennel name" what he wants but should not fake the official fci papers!

Christian