Communism - what you think about it?

[Rona]

One little British girl a few years older than you, Vaiva came to Poland in 1986. When I asked if she liked the country she replied: "I never thought the sun would be shining in a communist country, I thought everything would have to be grey and rainy."

I don't miss the old times at all and I know what I'm talking about. Both my husband and I have our share in fighting the system, and it wasn't funny at all. But people's feelings are universal and in all times they strive for happiness. We were sociable, sensitive, happy and adventurous although we were living under the regime and many times risked our careers and freedom just to behave decently.

It's true, there were some useless ideological subjects at the university but in Poland they either were treated lightly, or taught by wise lectureres who under stupid labels smuggled interesting content. I was lucky to have brilliant courses in the history of economics and philosophy under the "Political economics of socialism" and similar subjects.

Originally Posted by Vaiva

It is so good to live in a comunist country - not much working, not much thinking and everything is given for free Slaves are allways happy if they do not need to work too much and get some cheap food and vodka, aren't they?

Being a slave is mental, not physical or temporal. There are happy slaves in every system and free people in jails. If you look at the masses of people entering every morning huge multinational corporations in their identical suits and realize they'll stay there until dark, don't you see slaves in them? I do.
Under communist rules there were many creative people who worked hard and despite the silly inefficient system did great jobs in various professions, but there were also many lazy and demotivated greedy guys. Just like now!

Just to make it clear: I wasn't a member of a communist party, nor did I get a free flat. My family also suffered from the communist system, but it's not a reason to feel bitter all the time and poison the next generations with this bitterness. History is history - cannot be changed. I find much more disturbing that politicians do not profit from the knowledge of the past and keep repeating the same mistakes again and again

[Morian]

vaiva, don't tell me about arguments because you still gave no arguments, not me. you only repeat over and over again the same things, by the way not argumented. do you want me to use statistics here, historical facts etc.? i don't want to start a "holy war" here, really. some people tell their point of view, but you ignore it as you ignore objective reality. you just try to oppose yourself to the system. what do you want to show by this - how freedom, possibility to stand out from the crowd or need to have jeans is important for you? if you want to be free, first what you can do is to reject stereotypical thinking and to stop monochrome vision of the word. are you able to? seems you aren't.

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Rona

Being a slave is mental, not physical or temporal. There are happy slaves in every system and free people in jails. If you look at the masses of people entering every morning huge multinational corporations in their identical suits and realize they'll stay there until dark, don't you see slaves in them? I do.

exactly.. now i see moore slaves like in old time. YES I not want for back this time too, but .. Vaiva speak about ... things who not have have in this time... but or this ake people happy? not family? not friends? only things- tualet paper, or "slapenka". I know hystory from 1936- this hystory about live in wars time, in cccp time tell my grandma - about german oficer about rusian about ours partizans, about live in new system .. ant this are hystory simple women who have a 7 child who born in war time ( 3 brothers), simply women, who not are politic party member or wife "big sef".
this people like my grandma and know realy hystory, not this who written book about this.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Rona

We were sociable, sensitive, happy and adventurous although we were living under the regime and many times risked our careers and freedom just to behave decently.

Sure, this was the point in the very begining of the discussion. That people do not become pigs when they live in difficult conditions.
I am not talking abou people, I am talking about certain political system.

Originally Posted by Rona

If you look at the masses of people entering every morning huge multinational corporations in their identical suits and realize they'll stay there until dark, don't you see slaves in them? I do.

Sure, but this is the way they chose themselves.

Originally Posted by Rona

Under communist rules there were many creative people who worked hard and despite the silly inefficient system did great jobs in various professions, but there were also many lazy and demotivated greedy guys. Just like now!

Sure, also there where people, who were imprisoned because of their creativity, works or religion.

Originally Posted by Rona

Just to make it clear: I wasn't a member of a communist party, nor did I get a free flat.

You had to be at least a young comunist, or was the system in Poland different?

Originally Posted by Rona

I find much more disturbing that politicians do not profit from the knowledge of the past and keep repeating the same mistakes again and again

Maybe they simply are fast to forget the history?
There is no need to be bitter, but knowing history allways helps.

Back to the topic - would a project like Czechoslovakian wolfdog be possible in a todays democratic country? If yes, how different a breed would be?

P.S. Totally hate quoting on wolfdog.org

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Back to the topic - would a project like Czechoslovakian wolfdog be possible in a todays democratic country? If yes, how different a breed would be?

P.S. Totally hate quoting on wolfdog.org

i think like a sarlos ))
yes I agree - not place for this and .... hystory is hystory, live is live

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by wolfin

exactly.. now i see moore slaves like in old time. YES I not want for back this time too, but .. Vaiva speak about ... things who not have have in this time... but or this ake people happy? not family? not friends? only things- tualet paper, or "slapenka". I know hystory from 1936- this hystory about live in wars time, in cccp time tell my grandma - about german oficer about rusian about ours partizans, about live in new system .. ant this are hystory simple women who have a 7 child who born in war time ( 3 brothers), simply women, who not are politic party member or wife "big sef".
this people like my grandma and know realy hystory, not this who written book about this.

Sure, and only you have grandparents, other people don't

Familys are happy when they are all alive and together, in all the times. But still there is a big difference, when your family member is working in London and you know he or she is alive, wors is to not know if your family member is still alive or not is Siberia.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Morian

some people tell their point of view,

Yes, and I am telling my point of view What is wrong?

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

You had to be at least a young comunist, or was the system in Poland different?

My daughter is your age

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Rona

My daughter is your age

So it does not explain if you were a young comunist or not I am sure you had to be a pioneer