'Wolfdogs' of unknown origin - CzW or not?

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by lupis

My friends told me many dogs with no pedigree and mixes are in germany

many??? You find out only one: Amber - an excellent CSW. Your friends are simply jealous

Seems your intent is to denigrate French and Hungarian breeders and German CSW - and to support someone called Fabio. Just for grins you started a little dispute between M.L.S. contra G.D. - with Italian, Polish, French ... side shows.

Pure waste of time to talk to you.

Angelika

[doublewolf]

Full agree with you Angelika!! This Forum is an opportunity to talk about experiences but not for spread slander.

Silvana

[lupis]

Originally Posted by Angelika

many??? You find out only one: Amber - an excellent CSW. Your friends are simply jealous

it is not true. I hear some dog in germany not have parents in the pedigree. Have nothing in pedigree. if write in you country you can make DNA test and proove dog has parents purebreed why some dogs have nothing? it means if dog has nothing (no parents) in pedigree it is sure not czech wolfdog because DNA show no normal parents?

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

The reason is that those dogs have registration pedigree. The VDH refuses DNA-tests for paternity in registration dogs. All registration pedigrees are without ancestors. The owner of Amber wanted to do DNA-tests to proof the pedigree of her dog it was refused.

Ina

[Konrad:)]

Originally Posted by Pavel

... Other thing is, that Mutaras were stopped in CZ,....

We have been discussing, discussing and the result is:
Brno (Cz) 28/06/2008

CAC, CACIB - Sangria Passo del Lupo (in the front)





end for example - CAC: Eury z Peronówki (in the back of the first picture) and here:





.............

[wolfin]

but if Vorss is not real wolfdog - not cann breeding hem and say - "i breed wolfdogs."

maybe i cann this make - i have very beautiful.... animals in me frend zoo and cann his registr like wolfdog not know pedigree and breed like wolfdogs and have very wolfish dogs.

but this NOT BE wolfdogs- this is mix. and this is all dogs from this breeding is not wolfdogs but mix- wolfdogs x ? not know who.

[Lorry - MLS]

Originally Posted by wolfin

but this NOT BE wolfdogs- this is mix. and this is all dogs from this breeding is not wolfdogs but mix- wolfdogs x ? not know who.

Il est trés dangereux de parler sans savoir, c'est même une profonde preuve de bétise humaine !......
Tous les chiens de mon cheptel ont des origines connues, (seul Vorss, n'en possède pas)
Il ne faut donc pas généraliser à l'ensemble de tout mon élevage !!!!

Sachez Mme que si j'avais voulu faire du business, sans réfléchir, avec Vorss j'aurai fais de multiples portées .....ce qui n'est pas le cas !....sur les 4 chiots de sa descendance 3 sont stérilisés et 1 vit chez moi sans reproduire !.....

Alors un peu de prudence dans vos propos !

Originally Posted by Translation

Is dangerous talk without know, this is a deep proof of human stupidity!....
All the dogs of my kennel have know origin ( only Vorss dont)
Not generalise to all my kennel!!!!
Know that if I wanted do busines without thinking, I woud make some litters with Vorss... wich is not the case! .... of his 4 puppies 3 are castrated and one live with me without be used in reproduction.

So, a little bit of care in what you write.

[Pavel]

Please, dont write here other language. Its a english forum. Its seriously warning. In other case I must close the forum for person, which dont care our rules.

[koomak]

don't worry Lorry, they are not objective ! they said that only for getting you some trouble !

[Lorry - MLS]

Originally Posted by Pavel

Please, dont write here other language. Its a english forum. Its seriously warning. In other case I must close the forum for person, which dont care our rules.

OK ! I shall not speak any more on this English Forum.

You speak about rules to be respected ???: OK !

I, my personal rule : it is to speak always openly, not to take advantage of the language barrier to speak ill on a person without knowing how to, and respect the freedom of expression!!!!

Then please respect this rule, there also.....

On the French Forum, there are often interventions in English and that raises no problems

Lorry de MLS

[massimo]

Originally Posted by Pavel

Please, dont write here other language. Its a english forum. Its seriously warning. In other case I must close the forum for person, which dont care our rules.

Excuse me Pavel but each post by lorry has been translated, is that still a problem? if she can express herself best in her own language doesn't she have the right to do it?
If you are so strict (but allow trolls to write Idiocies and spreading shit all over people's reputation without signing themselves) not to allow somebody to protect their image although in their own language, I invite Lorry to send her posts to me directly, i will translate them in English for her.

...life is ridiculous sometimes...
massimo

[Navarre]

Originally Posted by Pavel

Please, dont write here other language. Its a english forum. Its seriously warning. In other case I must close the forum for person, which dont care our rules.

Many times Margo wrote in english into the italian forum (and his messages were very appreciated), so I think you can be more...flexible

[elf]

Originally Posted by lupis

But why everybody is against Fabio only? I see here on wolfdog puppies of breeders also breeding mixes. And nobody is writing about them it is wrong. Why you do it?
Here is one dog http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/7424
I know no pedigree. Who told it is a czech wolfdog?


I think if you want f be fair you must make same staps against all breeders with dogs with no pedigrees and not only Fabio. Because so it is not right.

Some more for you:

http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/6283
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/6347
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/6284
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/10385
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/5118
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/7881
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/7424
http://www.wolfdog.org/fr/dbase/d/7343

[elf]

You have also mistake, this one http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/10432 is a Saarloos.

[mijke]

How do you know?

But before you have any comment : the more I know and find out about some west European breeders the more sick I become…

[elf]

I know the owner, I don't know why this dog is in the DB. I know some more dogs like this, it is not the only one Saarloos in the DB.
This to say that the DB is a great tool, but as everywhere else you can find mistake, so one need to take care using the DB and jump too fast into conclusions.

[admin]

Originally Posted by elf

I know the owner, I don't know why this dog is in the DB. I know some more dogs like this, it is not the only one Saarloos in the DB.

We found two so far... Such dogs were added because the owner used the form "Add a dog" and there was nothing suspicious (in this case the breeders breeds Saarloos and CzW).
And there are more cases where information given to us was not correct. But we found a solution - in the database we have two "levels" saying if the info is correct or maybe not. Now it is not visible but in the new database you will be able to see if the data of a dog is "just added" (someone send info about this dog) or if it is already verified (we make the verification basing on the official publications given by the kennel clubs or breed clubs).