World Dogshow 2008 Stockholm, Sweden

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by WolfWhistle

Would be nice if all those SWH and CsV owners would write to the Swedish Kennel Club and make them change the strange (and if I may say, a bit stupid) rules that concerns breeding with both breeds here to.

Ninni

Just to clarify a bit. Neither Saarloos Wolfhound nor Czechoslovakian wolfdog are banned by Governmental Swedish Laws but the Swedish Kennel Klub (SKK) made their own decission of NOT to register or allow these breeds to participate in dog shows arranged by the club or its national members. By an announcement made by the SKK both breeds now will have their full rights as FCI-approved breeds by March 2008.

In a private letter by 2003 the Chairman of the SKK confirmed that the decission of not registering the SW/CSV was due to media pressure from a small but powerful Swedish group.
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Per Olav
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Per Olav

[WolfWhistle]

Originally Posted by Per Olav

In a private letter by 2003 the Chairman of the SKK confirmed that the decission of not registering the SW/CSV was due to media pressure from a small but powerful Swedish group.
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Per Olav
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Per Olav

Is that what they said? Cause when I asked the Swedish kennel Club to acknowledge the breeds in 2005 they said that it was because of the wolfblood thay have decided NOT to acknowledge them.. It was/is against Swedish law to have dog/wolf mixes.
Hmmmm... I wonder what small and powerful group they are talking about?


This is from their meeting 3/6 2005... (in Swedish...sorry...)

§ 108 Ärenden från medlemmar/privatpersoner
a) Brev från Ninni Erlandsson angående Saarloos Wolfhond och Ceskoslovensky Vlcak
Ninni Erlandsson har i brev uttryckt ett önskemål om att CS tar upp frågan om att godkänna raserna Saarloos Wolfhond och Ceskoslovensky Vlcak i Sverige.
Anledningen till att SKK hittills inte godkänt ovanstående raser beror på att den svenska lagstiftningen säger att vi inte får ha djur med inkorsning av varg. I dessa båda rasers standard står de nämnda som varghybrider.
CS diskuterade ärendet och beslutade att uppdra till SKK/AK att utreda frågan.

/Ninni

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by WolfWhistle

I wonder what small and powerful group they are talking about?/Ninni

Hi Ninni. In Norwegian only.
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Per Olav

[*Satu]

And It`s true that begin 1.1.2008 CZW can take CAC only workingclass?

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Per Olav

Just to clarify a bit. Neither Saarloos Wolfhound nor Czechoslovakian wolfdog are banned by Governmental Swedish Laws but the Swedish Kennel Klub (SKK) made their own decission of NOT to register or allow these breeds to participate in dog shows arranged by the club or its national members. By an announcement made by the SKK both breeds now will have their full rights as FCI-approved breeds by March 2008.

In a private letter by 2003 the Chairman of the SKK confirmed that the decission of not registering the SW/CSV was due to media pressure from a small but powerful Swedish group.
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Per Olav
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Per Olav

Yes peuple has bean killd by dogs but most of tose dogs hawe bean traind to atack !
In the us therefor 238 peuple has bean killed sens 1979-1998 not becose of the Breed, but becose of there owners.

Peuple in the USA dont get a dog of the same seasen as peuple in Scandinavia, and we dont have dogs runing lose on the street or hawe dog catchers working 24h here eader.
And about this poverfull group I can bet that thay never eaven met a Cz Wolfdog.
Powerfull group ? Watt are we ?

Best regards / Mikael Wolfdog.se

[*Satu]

There is 32 entered CZW´s in Stocholm WW-08.

[Juniorwolf]

I find it VERY strange that Jørgen Hindse will be judge for CSW at WDS `08 ....as far as I know he have absolutly no experience with CSW(I have never meet him as judge in Denmark). Until last year he was chairman of Danish Kennel Club, so ofcourse he have seen/experienced some dogshows and maybe few induviduals of CSW, but should it not be "experts" in the specific dogbreed that a judge will judge at WDS ???

....Or am I totally wrong ?

Rolf

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

This is pretty normal and the reason why we don´t participate in those shows very much and why I don´t value the results.

Ina

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

This is pretty normal and the reason why we don´t participate in those shows very much and why I don´t value the results.

Ina

well I think it is a shame ....I truly thought that world dog shows had a higher standart than normal dog shows, but I guess I was wrong ?

Rolf

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by rolf

well I think it is a shame ....I truly thought that world dog shows had a higher standart than normal dog shows, but I guess I was wrong ?

Rolf

That's a little bit strange, maybe they really not want CzW and SWH on this dogshow, and because that they chosen a non-experienced judge... only supposition...
I remember that at Brazilian and Argentinean world dogshow the judge that will judge CzW was Stefan Stefik from Slovakia, but at that time we have no CzW on our dogshows and, at brazilian world dog shows the 2 CzW cadastred haven't come.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by rolf

well I think it is a shame ....I truly thought that world dog shows had a higher standart than normal dog shows, but I guess I was wrong ?

Rolf

Out of my experiences I think you are mostly wrong. The judges have to judge a lot of dogbreeds and they tend to give smaller breeds (small in numbers) to every judge with some time space. There are very few judges like Mr. Stefik that really care about our breed. If you want really good judgements you have to join Club shows with specialised judges.

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

That's a little bit strange, maybe they really not want CzW and SWH on this dogshow, and because that they chosen a non-experienced judge... only supposition...
I remember that at Brazilian and Argentinean world dogshow the judge that will judge CzW was Stefan Stefik from Slovakia, but at that time we have no CzW on our dogshows and, at brazilian world dog shows the 2 CzW cadastred haven't come.

I think that it is well known that SKK only allowed CSW and SWH on the WorldDogShow, because FCI told them that they have to accept all FCI reconized breeds to host WDS `08 ...I have heard that there have been a change of judge for CSW, so maybe they really had an "expert" judge from the beginning ?

Rolf

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Out of my experiences I think you are mostly wrong. The judges have to judge a lot of dogbreeds and they tend to give smaller breeds (small in numbers) to every judge with some time space. There are very few judges like Mr. Stefik that really care about our breed. If you want really good judgements you have to join Club shows with specialised judges.

I have never been at a WDS before, so it was just my prejudiced thought that WDS was of higher standart than normal dogshows ?
We have already been at club show in Czech rep. and will come for more in the future

[Navarre]

Originally Posted by rolf

have heard that there have been a change of judge for CSW, so maybe they really had an "expert" judge from the beginning ?

The "old" judge Sinko Stefan wasn't an "expert" of breed but he understand dogs generally and know CSW almost well.
About the new judge I don't konw...never heard of him.

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by Navarre

The "old" judge Sinko Stefan wasn't an "expert" of breed but he understand dogs generally and know CSW almost well.
About the new judge I don't konw...never heard of him.

I know this judge(as I wrote earlier) and he have absolutly no experience with CSW ....in fact I think the only CSW he have ever seen was mine and that was from a distance !

Rolf

[Mikael]

Congratulations to...

Amber Wolf z Peronówki
Cheyna du Domaine de la Combe Noire
West Crying Wolf
Naboo Arimminum

Volos Crying Wolf
H'Gengis Börte-Tchino Arimminum
Baron spod Ïumbiera
Thalia Crying Wolf
Alud ---Lupimax---
Baron spod Ïumbiera x Elys spod Ïumbiera

and all the other that are setesfied whit there sesults.

Thanks fore a good show / Greetings from Sweden

Best Regards / Mikael and Hronec


PS, I have photos that I will share whit you all later

[GalomyOak]

Congratulations from the USA!

Marcy, Ryan, Anthea & Hronsek

[furyos]

hi mikael... thanks a lot .. and really yur country is so so nice ..... frank

[*Satu]

Baron have res-cacib and now we waite new INT CH title
Maybe someone can tell rest about results....

[Mikael]

WDS results link http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/shows/2652.html Thanks Margo.

Best regards / Mikael