Saarloos Wolfdogs - Canadian or European Wolfdogs?

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

Hei, Ina! I get this kind of Info, as i asked same thing:

in Gemany there are over 100 . in Swiss there are ca. 20, france there are over 100, in Belgium there are 100 and in NL 500-600 and then a few dogs in another lands , in Finland momentally 11

Suski

Thank you,

one year ago a breeder told me there are even less but he didn´t know exact counts eather. That means there are not more than 1000 dogs worldwide, that breed in at least 2 clubs that don´t talk to each other and don´t exchange dogs as far as I am informed. I don´t think the red ones are crossbreeds and I didn´t see a blue eyed one but I think it´s possible they occure now and then because that´s absolutely normal in such small populations. I know some crossbreeds with Czechoslow. Wolfdogs, these are not the red ones and to be honest I think without them the breed will die out but that is not my concern. But I don´t know if there have been any other crossbreeds with other breeds.


Ina

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Thank you,

one year ago a breeder told me there are even less but he didn´t know exact counts eather. That means there are not more than 1000 dogs worldwide, that breed in at least 2 clubs that don´t talk to each other and don´t exchange dogs as far as I am informed. I don´t think the red ones are crossbreeds and I didn´t see a blue eyed one but I think it´s possible they occure now and then because that´s absolutely normal in such small populations. I know some crossbreeds with Czechoslow. Wolfdogs, these are not the red ones and to be honest I think without them the breed will die out but that is not my concern. But I don´t know if there have been any other crossbreeds with other breeds.


Ina

no they dont exchange dogs as one club is breeding pure Saarloos the other has greated numerous health problems via cross breeding, such as heart , eye, epilepsy and dwafs,, so INA you now admit you know of some cross bred Saarloos and CWS, and you ask me to prove what i say on line is true,,???, to make statement that Saarloos may die out if not for these cross breedings is absolute and utter nonsense i have never heard of such a load of trash in my life, and you are on this site giving advice on something, to cross breed is one thing to register the cross breeds is outragous, http://www.saarlooswolfdog.com/Pedig..._Did=365&Lid=1
all on this post have a look at this Saarloos Zazi zen ,,or is it, if it is i think we should all give up,, the father is called SENNA,,funny the owner of Senna made statement to say dogs has never been used at stud,, ever,,, now go into wolfdog.org and see Chrop z kladenske zare WHOS YOUR DADDY, so Zazi zen is registered as a Saarloos,,,,,,,so if people do want to compare the two breeds please make sure you do ask the right people and see the correct dogs,,,,,,,INA if you have as you say you have any facts of cross breedings and they are registered dogs i ask you now to report it to the FCI,, these people are destroying a breed and if you have seen any of the dwarfs Saarloos you will do it for the dogs if nothing else,,,,,r winder not ammused at all,,,,have sent copy of your post to dutch breed club secretary

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by fenris

According to wolf-biologist and the leading expert on wolf L. David Mech wolves have amber to yellow eyes that can shine yellowish-green. But NEVER blue..

Some time ago I visited some US sites related to wolves and wolf behaviour.
As far as I remember some of the sites showed wolves/wolf dogs with blue eyes.

[Pavel]

Originally Posted by perolav

Some time ago I visited some US sites related to wolves and wolf behaviour.
As far as I remember some of the sites showed wolves/wolf dogs with blue eyes.

Absolutely agree. I buy every year a calendar with wolves pictures and every year is there some with blue eyes as well.

[Xhrista]

Wolfdogs can have bleu eyes,what do think of a mix with an Husky?
There are also Indian dogs with bleu eyes.

Gr. Christa

[z Peronówki]

I don't know where you have taken the translation from the de Dutch Breeding club,but I never heard anyone saying in holland that the SWH is better to train as a CzW.The SWH is not a working dog like the CzW.
The SWh is a calm dog,who is very social with dogs and people.

Hmmmm......While reading your answer I recalled my idea for a bigger article. Comparision between Saarloos and CzW is one of the most popular topics. I had an idea to write an article consisted of three parts:
- comparison of the exterier
- comparison of the character
- some words written by people which own CzW AND Saarloos. Or by people which have good contact with both breeds.

I think it will be not only interesting but also important for future puppy buyers. Both breed are different and CzW sometimes buy people which sould buy a Saarloos because it fits better to their needs and there are also people for which CzW would be a better solution...

Someone interested...?

[Wolfsirius]

Hello, Margo!

It is just under work..
But. I can't promise it before begin of next year, cause i just do BIIIG work with it (slowly a book..) It is very interesting, and hopefully as many as possible will tell own comments, but i guess facts need to listed also, not only opinions. As you know i have momentally 3 dogs from both breeds at home, and hopefully puppies from saarloos this year also.
So, i can help, but not just at this moment.
Is this how urgent???

Suski

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

So, i can help, but not just at this moment.
Is this how urgent???
Suski

No problem - it is not urgent.... WE have a lot of time to colect info and photos...

[mijke]

Originally Posted by Margo

I had an idea to write an article consisted of three parts:
- comparison of the exterier
- comparison of the character
- some words written by people which own CzW AND Saarloos. Or by people which have good contact with both breeds.

And be sure I'll help you!!

Very often I have woldog intersted people/guests and have to explain a lot about the differences

And always I advise them to visit not only breeders but also owners of these breeds. And of course in Holland it is more easy to arrange this

greetings,
Mijke

[Wolfsirius]

So, Mijke, can you do it with me?

-Suski

[mijke]

Of course, I'll share information with everybody who want this !

As I did tell you before in a private mail, I am doing my best to arrange more for you before next weekend! But I did not get yet the response I did wish

greetings
mijke

[Xhrista]

I think Mijke,you are the right person to help with this.You 've seen a lot of both breeds.An not only from 1 breeder and that is good,because not only the type from 1 breeder is different from another,also the character.
And Suski have also different types,maybe you must have a SWH from the dutch breeding club,so you been complete )

Gr. Christa

[Wolfsirius]

Ok, Christa! Do you know anybody could help me with that?
I mean to get dog from the club. I promise to survive myself with payment of 50.000€, if i use it later for breeding.

Suski

[marosmith]

I would love to see a write up of the comparasins of the two breeds. Please e-mail me or post them.

Thanks.