Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs-Australia

[Sona_Bognarova]

Hm, folks, there is no need to guess or contact any ministry about importation requirement information, every requirement is publicly available on the website I mentioned before. Actually, I can't see importation from UK to Australia any easier than from many other European countries, they are all listed there - considered as not rabies free but keeping rabies under control, thus eligible for 30 days quarantine. And don't be mistaken, 30 days quarantine is obligatory minimum, applicable on ANY dog, pure blood or cross, does not matter and there is NO CHOICE to avoid it unless it is a dog of a special purpose. And yes, it is very difficult travel even for a human, I must agree with that, the flight from Europe may be above 30 hours, including the time spent in transit. Moreover, the kennel is sealed and the animal MUST NOT be released before arrival to final destination. Furthermore, age limits etc. So, I think the new owner must be first well educated about CSW, second skilled and patient enough to help the dog to overcome a stressful importation experience. That is one of the reasons I would like new owners here to keep in touch to be able to help each other with at least advice. One of other reasons is to establish a good breeding group, not easy at all. I don't know what Nebulosa means by "bad" dogs sent from the countries of origin, so I speak just in general - when making your choice for a CSW imported from Europe to Australia (or elsewhere) it is of paramount importance to focus not only on appearance but on the breeding compatibility (if you intend to breed or show your dog) with other individuals imported here. If this co-operation does not happen it may result in quite isolation of new owners in this big country, maybe even in mixing CSW with whatever around, as it happened many times already in other countries. As for the dog choice - Nebulosa, I am sorry you have bad experience, but there is definitely nothing like "the best litter of the year". Mostly breeders and CSW clubs are doing there best to achieve excellent results and yet there is no warranty that your puppy will be a world champion once. On the other hand, even "very good" dogs might be very important for the breeding. I agree also with Saschia, importing the dogs that have passed the bonitation and Xray would be the safest way, and the most expensive at the same time, due to an animal value.
As for the Australian climate, yes, I worried about that too but as I see, breeds like alaskan malamutes, siberian huskies, samoyeds and other are nothing rare here and they are able to cope with it. Well, when there is over 40, everyone is "dead fish".
To summarise it, it is important to know as much about CSW as possible, get as precise information about its importation as possible, to arrange the travel very well and the rest is "just a game" - you can find plenty of information how "easy" that game is, with plenty of stories here, ji, CSW are beasts, but beautiful, interesting, adorable and challenging beasts!!!!

[Nebulosa]

Hi Sona, you missunderstand me

If you read what I wrote for Saschia will see that I had no bad experiences, contrary, the dogs I have are exactly what I was looking for ans exactly what I wait, as I was really glad with Slovakian people because we can really trust they, but as I said for Paul, unhaply they're an exception and even in the CzW we can see cases of the problem I mention.

yes, I worried about that too but as I see, breeds like alaskan malamutes, siberian huskies, samoyeds and other are nothing rare here and they are able to cope with it. Well, when there is over 40, everyone is "dead fish".

You may not worrie, its happen with nordic breeds but with CzW its pretty different, they lost the coat and stay with a nice suricat look untill cold arrives, they react best in hot climates than short haired breeds and even pretty adaptated ones, here my wolfdogs are best adaptated to the hot than the brazilians breeds.

[Sona_Bognarova]

hi Paula, as I don't write to forum often I realised only now that it is you - I recognised you by your dogs of course! I am really glad that you are happy with your CSW and yes, I believe it might be risky for a new owner to leave the choice of the dog on someone else. Well, I suppose majority of people in Australia will find themselves in the same situation, that's why it is better to import dogs that are already judged or bonitated and Xrayed.
And thanks for encouraging words about CSW adaptation to the different climate, I believe they are tough and will be all right even here. And I have to laugh - yes, you described it exactly - suricat look it will be.....till the next cold season

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

... even in the CzW we can see cases of the problem I mention.

Paula, I know you're a very modest person....

But I think it should be explained here, that Paula's got significant experience in dealing with other breeds (not solely CSVs) and has been cooperating with several kennels and breeeders in Brazil for a few years now. When writing about the problems connected with importing dogs form other continents she is writing about what she and other breeders and friends encountered in reality, not only about theoretical assumptions or rumours.

[Hanka]

Sonja,
are you OK? We can read and watch much of fires in Australia.........
Hanka

[Spaz]

Hey guys, I'm new to the forums, and am incredibly interested in the CsV. I live in Australia, I'm only 17 but I would absolutely ADORE one of those beautiful creatures once I had the time and space to own one.

Just a quick note,
Hanka, I don't believe there is much need to worry as the fire's here were mainly in Victoria and New South Wales. I believe Sonja lives in SA??? I don't recall there being any fires in SA, Victoria was the worst hit, which was very scary for me and my family But they have all been extinguished now.

I was wondering if there was any update about the importation of the CsV into Australia? I'm a fair few years off having my own place and all that, but I think the more updated I am, the more of a chance I could own one in my elder years :P

Thanks guys
Spaz

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Spaz

I'm a fair few years off having my own place and all that, but I think the more updated I am, the more of a chance I could own one in my elder years :P

Thanks guys
Spaz

Great attitude, Spaz Hope when the time comes, there will be some possibilities to get a wolfdog in Australia

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Spaz

Hey guys, I'm new to the forums, and am incredibly interested in the CsV. I live in Australia, I'm only 17 but I would absolutely ADORE one of those beautiful creatures once I had the time and space to own one.

I was wondering if there was any update about the importation of the CsV into Australia? I'm a fair few years off having my own place and all that, but I think the more updated I am, the more of a chance I could own one in my elder years :P

Thanks guys
Spaz

Hello Spaz

My self I would buy a Australian Cattledog if I was you

I had one my self, but he did pass away in december
but I got almost 15 good years and memories from him,
and for that I´m very grateful.

But if you and some more people wont to buy one or more CsV in the future for breeding, I would personaly recomend a Bonitate (Standard) tested dog from Check or Slovak as the trip is very hard and hot for a puppy, and the best chans to get a good / healthy dog is to buy a (older) one and not a puppy... I would also recomend to import them two and two or more becouse of the quarantine time, so that they will not be alone there or under the tripp...

Or maby if you do not plan to breed and (only) wont one as a life partner and you do not plan to buy one in about 5-6 years from now, there might be a Australian CsV breeder that you can buy your puppy from

Or maby you can import one from the USA, Canada or Brazil as it is closer I think, even if they have hard to get a Bonitaion Test you can always look for work and healt tests...

You can find and talk to breeders in PM here >>> http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...B&file=kennels

PS, I do not recomend CsV if you plan to live in the city or in a flat DS.

Good luck to you and your plans, best regards / Mikael

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Mikael

PS, I do not recomend CsV if you plan to live in the city or in a flat DS.

You may be surprised, but I do. Or rather I think it does not make much difference where the dog lives provided you can devote him enough time and energy, take him to walks every day (2-3 hrs) and have a place nearby when you can let him run unleashed. Paradoxically it's easier to socialize a wolfdog in a city environment, where he has access to different noises, people, crowds, cars, traffic, etc. than if you keep him in a country on a big, 'ideal' territory. Very often people who have huge gardens report that their wolfdogs spend relatively short time outdoors because they prefer to stay indoors with their pack.

What's more, the "city owner" often spends a few hours with the dog out of pure necessity: he needs to walk him, train obedience intensly, so that the dog behaved in the streets - thus talks to him much and in result it happens that he's able to build suprisingly strong relationship with the animal...

I'm not saying that wolfdogs living in cities are always better behaved and socialised than in the country, or have a better relationship with their owners, but that it is not a major issue where the dog lives. Simply the quality of the relationship with the pack is more important than the quantity of acres you have.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Rona

You may be surprised, but I do. Or rather I think it does not make much difference where the dog lives provided you can devote him enough time and energy, take him to walks every day (2-3 hrs) and have a place nearby when you can let him run unleashed. Paradoxically it's easier to socialize a wolfdog in a city environment, where he has access to different noises, people, crowds, cars, traffic, etc. than if you keep him in a country on a big, 'ideal' territory. Very often people who have huge gardens report that their wolfdogs spend relatively short time outdoors because they prefer to stay indoors with their pack.

What's more, the "city owner" often spends a few hours with the dog out of pure necessity: he needs to walk him, train obedience intensly, so that the dog behaved in the streets - thus talks to him much and in result it happens that he's able to build suprisingly strong relationship with the animal...

I'm not saying that wolfdogs living in cities are always better behaved and socialised than in the country, or have a better relationship with their owners, but that it is not a major issue where the dog lives. Simply the quality of the relationship with the pack is more important than the quantity of acres you have.

Exactly! A dog left alone in a big yard is not training himself individually We also live in a flat (situated in the centre of Vilnius, capital of Lithuania ), so it means I can not just open my door and let the dog outside, I have to spend time together with her and we both like it

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Rona

You may be surprised, but I do. Or rather I think it does not make much difference where the dog lives provided you can devote him enough time and energy, take him to walks every day (2-3 hrs) and have a place nearby when you can let him run unleashed. Paradoxically it's easier to socialize a wolfdog in a city environment, where he has access to different noises, people, crowds, cars, traffic, etc. than if you keep him in a country on a big, 'ideal' territory. Very often people who have huge gardens report that their wolfdogs spend relatively short time outdoors because they prefer to stay indoors with their pack.

What's more, the "city owner" often spends a few hours with the dog out of pure necessity: he needs to walk him, train obedience intensly, so that the dog behaved in the streets - thus talks to him much and in result it happens that he's able to build suprisingly strong relationship with the animal...

I'm not saying that wolfdogs living in cities are always better behaved and socialised than in the country, or have a better relationship with their owners, but that it is not a major issue where the dog lives. Simply the quality of the relationship with the pack is more important than the quantity of acres you have.

Yes, I agree...

but there also might be BIG problems if the dog howls when you are at work, or if you work long hour and can not have a kennel yard...

Some dogs are OK whit a flat, but some dont, but you are right it is mostly about the time you can spend whit your dog or not that will be the problem if you live in a flat...

Regards / Mikael

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Rona

I'm not saying that wolfdogs living in cities are always better behaved and socialised than in the country, or have a better relationship with their owners, but that it is not a major issue where the dog lives. Simply the quality of the relationship with the pack is more important than the quantity of acres you have.

I fully agree to that Living by the countryside is no proof of better behaved and well socialised dogs. In my opinnion do dogs need their "time of quality" by beeing trained and socialised to others. Wide areas of land might be of advantage in addition to that, but I do think "city people" may be more observant of the dog's basic need as mentioned above.
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Per Olav

[kane]

Hello all, I'm new here, and i have been searching everywhere for weeks re finding a breeder of the Czech Wolf Dog in Australia. I have read this post ; just wondering has much progress been made in regard to wolfdogs in Aus???
Can any1 help me with the most productive path to speak to some one in Aus about this?

[kane]

Hello all new here, & yes i am going to ask about the CzWolf dog in Oz and how far along it is? I know there have been other threads but they seem to get rather hijacked by nonsense 'periphery' talk. There are many of us here who have become aware of this delightful 'new' breed, so might i ask if those who are in the know with contacts and events pls keep us informed via this thread? Im in for the long haul, but is there actually any1 that HAS imported them yet? Or any1 that is actually DOING it?
Please keep this thread pure to the question re the CzW in Oz... We are all aware the first of any breed is not easily imported, but if those who did import decided it was to hard.... well we wouldn have any of mans best friend here..

Please dont whine about what i have asked or said ; i just wanna have a CzW and so far this is the only site that has a clue about it happening.A credit to you all, but lets make it easy for those surfin tryin to ascertain the liklyhood of it actually happening, when, how and who...

So please, Discuss.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Sonja Bognarova is going to import and would be the best adress for you to contact, especially as she is one of the best experts on this breed.

Ina

[kane]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Sonja Bognarova is going to import and would be the best adress for you to contact, especially as she is one of the best experts on this breed.

Ina

Thx Ina, Is there a way to contact this lady? Does she have a web site, or dare i ask ; phone number? Do you know which state she is in pls?

[hanninadina]

Sonja Boogerova, the best special judge in that breed, originally from Slovakia moved I think 1 or 2 years ago to australia. But I do not know if she took Issy - Issar - with her. Here is the link to her dog. Make a try through her eMail. Send her greetings from me http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/dbase/o190.html

Christian
www.wolfdogs-siouxtala.de

She knows my Myla Crying Wolf

[Ligerwolve2]

I have read that she intended to import so I will send her an email soon as I can get my silly computer to co-operate.

I have worked out that the website I saw is from an actual member here LOL - silly me! So I am going to try contact both. I really love this breed (well from afar) and its been 10 yrs since my plans to import fell through.

It would mean so much to me to be able to meet one of these gorgeous dogs!

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

As we will help her with importing I can tell you that Issar is still in Europe. I will ask her to contact you the next time I talk to her.

Regards
Ina

[Ligerwolve2]

That would just be wonderful Ina. Thank you.