Introducing The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog {Vlcak} Breed Club of Great Britain - Page 2

Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB · 11-03-2012, 19:21

Thankyou for all your great help, support and advice

We are thrilled to announce the opening of the new website

www.czechoslovakianvlcak.co.uk

The Official Czechoslovakian Wolfdog [Vlcak] Breed Club of Great Britain

Enjoy!

Nebulosa · 11-03-2012, 19:46

Seems it's so shameful be in this club that even the main chairman try to hide his own name.

GalomyOak · 12-03-2012, 04:18

2 observations...

1. At least in America, it is illegal to use the Copyrighted materials of another club's website without permission

I would certainly hope the creators of a breed club would have the knowledge, experience, intelligence and ambition to use their own words to describe their breed, and dog breeding in general for their fellow countrymen...or at least ask permission to use the words of another, and give credit to the people who did take the time to create materials...

http://www.czechoslovakianvlcak.org/...rreferral.html

http://www.czechoslovakianvlcak.co.u...for/4561789716

It seems I have read some of the other materials on your page verbatim as well...

2. Other than joining our Facebook page (as a name of your club, not a person) and promoting your forum without asking, at least I (the president for the The Czechoslovakian Vlcak Club of America) have no clue who anyone in your club is, or what they stand for, or what they have done in their past...so would not and do not give permission to use our club's materials, as we hope only to align our club with breeders and owners who have a past history of embodying the same ethics as we do. Generally most official clubs list their officers, contacts, etc. - who are you guys? By name, by kennel, by dogs?

yukidomari · 12-03-2012, 06:48

The UK is a World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty participant...

Rona · 12-03-2012, 08:06

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Originally Posted by GalomyOak

At least in America, it is illegal to use the Copyrighted materials of another club's website without permission

No only in the US, Marcy. In Europe too, including the UK !!!

Shadowlands · 12-03-2012, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB

Thankyou for all your great help, support and advice

Yes, the advice has been used to good result - now your website reads like you really are intending ethical breeding and the protection of the breed. Not the, as previously stated, desire to breed anyway and keep a record for when recognition was achieved, to lump in with all the existing non-FCI dogs in the UK. Yet nowhere do you actually address this point - how do you expect people to believe that you can change the point of view of a club and all it's members so quickly?

As for lifting passages from someone else's website - you had better be very careful about doing that...

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Originally Posted by Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB

The Official Czechoslovakian Wolfdog [Vlcak] Breed Club of Great Britain

What makes you the 'official' club? It is the understanding of us mere mortals that it is the Kennel Club that bestows this honour on it's chosen club, once the breed has been put onto the Import Register - unless you have achieved this but not announced it in all your glory?

It is also nice to see you have now adopted the name 'vlcak' - even to the extent of using it in www.czechoslovakianvlcak.co.uk - do you think it adds credibility?

Sorry, yet another rehash of your beliefs and ethics, altered based on the critisisms of others far more experienced in the breed. I'm afraid I am getting a sense of deja-vu over this...

wolfin · 12-03-2012, 20:19

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Originally Posted by GalomyOak

etc. - who are you guys? By name, by kennel, by dogs?

The question for a million dollars

Halslinger · 09-04-2012, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB

The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog {Vlcak} Breed Club of Great Britain

There seems to be some confusion as to the differences between membership of a Facebook Group, a Forum or Discussion Board, a Website and a Breed Club. If someone is a member of one it doesn't necessarily follow that the same person is a member of any of the others.

Firstly, with regard to the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club of GB Facebook page - this is merely a means of advertising the fact that there is a Forum and also a Breed Club. It's sole purpose is to point the way for interested parties, who may wish to find out more from the Forum about the breed and the Club.

The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog {Vlcak} Breed Club of Great Britain Forum is another media used to bring the breed to the attention of the general public, to promote the breed and answer any queries that members may have with regard to the breed in general, health, diet, training etc. and to ask advice on specific problems. It is also somewhere that members can share pictures and experiences of their Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. The Forum doesn't discriminate between owners of imported FCI registered dogs and owners of UK bred dogs, except that information relating to each are collected in a different place for transfer to the appropriate database. Owners of both are welcome on the Forum and their knowledge and experience is valued equally. The Forum is also there to promote the Breed Club, making people aware of it's existence and it's aims, and ultimately to encourage membership. The Forum also welcomes interested members who do not own Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs however want information and are researching the breed. The Forum is a great place to meet new owners in the UK and share their experiences.

The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog {Vlcak} Breed Club of Great Britain is the Breed Club, formed in 2011 to represent the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog in Great Britain. The aim of the club is to unite owners and breeders worldwide of this wonderful dog and to collate information necessary to obtain UK Kennel Club recognition. This is obviously going to take some time and the club is being guided by existing clubs in the EU with regard to format and record keeping. Until such time as the breed is recognised the breed club will keep a register of all imported dogs. The club will also be the governing body for the breed in Great Britain and will set the standard with regard to breeding and ownership ethics and will regulate the breeding of these dogs by members in Great Britain. The club will also offer advice and support to its members and anything pertaining to the welfare of these dogs.

Finally, The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog {Vlcak} Breed Club of Great Britain website is still under construction and is about to go live shortly this will be used to promote the Club and it's activities, as well as giving accurate information about the Breed. It will also connect to the Forum and the Breed Club will encourage input from it's members as to what should be displayed on the website.

Therefore, membership or interest in one particular element does not automatically infer membership of all elements.

We think its important to also remind new / established members that its not all about 'breeding' in the Breed Club its about promoting the interests, welfare and responsible ownership of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog {Vlcak} in the United Kingdom. Bring together owners and breeders worldwide and facilitate the exchange of views and information on all subjects appertaining to the breed

Thankyou for all your requests for clarification and we hope this settles any concerns

Sorry trying to understand this are you recognised by the FCI or the Kennel Club or what, who started this and through what athourity?

Shadowlands · 18-04-2012, 21:43

Will whoever is responsible please stop messing with the Wikipedia page.

To persistently remove the link to www.vlcak.co.uk was bad enough, but now the links to www.woldog.org and www.czechoslovakianvlcak.org are also being removed

Each time this happens, your link appears.

The first time this happened, we readded the link to www.vlcak.org and left your link on there (only removing the immensely misleading and unjustified 'official' from your description) but you persistently remove all links but your own; even at one point putting yourselves in twice, once at the top of the list and once near to the end.

Wikipedia is a public site and all pertinent groups/clubs/websites have equal right to post a link on there. So please, drop your aggression and your ego and allow this to be the case. People should be allowed to make up their own minds and those who have problems telling the difference between a CsV and an NI

should not be removing the links to sites such as this one which is widely recognised as the benchmark site for information on the breed.

Thank you

Halslinger · 19-04-2012, 07:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Will whoever is responsible please stop messing with the Wikipedia page.

To persistently remove the link to www.vlcak.co.uk was bad enough, but now the links to www.woldog.org and www.czechoslovakianvlcak.org are also being removed

Each time this happens, your link appears.

The first time this happened, we readded the link to www.vlcak.org and left your link on there (only removing the immensely misleading and unjustified 'official' from your description) but you persistently remove all links but your own; even at one point putting yourselves in twice, once at the top of the list and once near to the end.

Wikipedia is a public site and all pertinent groups/clubs/websites have equal right to post a link on there. So please, drop your aggression and your ego and allow this to be the case. People should be allowed to make up their own minds and those who have problems telling the difference between a CsV and an NI

should not be removing the links to sites such as this one which is widely recognised as the benchmark site for information on the breed.

Thank you

who's this dirrected at

Rona · 19-04-2012, 08:00

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Originally Posted by Halslinger

who's this dirrected at

At "whoever is responsible" for messing with the Wikipedia page and almost daily removing links to sites from which Wikipedia readers could find more information about the breed.

Since only one link - the link to CSV Breed Club of GB webage - is not being removed, it can be assumed with high probablity that "whoever is responsible" comes from that area.

GalomyOak · 19-04-2012, 12:00

This is directed at wikipedia user: Csvgb (which seems to have been deleted?), as well as IP address: 90.200.122.54 and 2.122.93.24, originating from a broadband provider (Sky Networking Services) in London - the people responsible for making these changes, according to Wikipedia history for the page

Nebulosa · 19-04-2012, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by GalomyOak

This is directed at wikipedia user: Csvgb (which seems to have been deleted?), as well as IP address: 90.200.122.54 and 2.122.93.24, originating from a broadband provider (Sky Networking Services) in London - the people responsible for making these changes, according to Wikipedia history for the page

The same of the user "Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB" on wolfdog.org.

Halslinger · 19-04-2012, 22:05

Aye true, don 't need to be a detective to work that one out

Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB · 20-04-2012, 11:47

This is our response from Czechoslovakian Wolfdog {Vlcak} Breed Club of Great Britain
Shadowlands / Sadie Lands
We find your actions disturbingly childish, on this occasion we have provided a link to Wikipedia showing clearly that you (ip address 178.239.225.29) have systematically removed our link, other groups and your own in an attempt to discredit our club.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special...178.239.225.29
The link above clearly shows your actions in removing links, information and sources from the page. We find this completely pathetic . It just adds to the ever increasing list of inappropriate behaviour both yours and your associated vlcak.co.uk companions attempting to discredit our club.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...action=history
This shows clearly the cat and mouse game you have been playing with Wikipedia and your attempt last night again to change our link to reflect your own and now Wikipedia is onto you and changed it back within hours. Big brother is always watching you and the evidence is clear shadowlands you and your associates or maybe you alone have caused this and you are making the changes . We simply click to undo your changes and this placed our links back.
We have grave concerns about both you and your fellow conspirator’s and your intentions of the breed moving forward in the UK, given the persistent attempts to discredit any other organisation you are simply ensuring that anyone who has or intends to have one of these dogs will never trust anyone.
All of our posts on this forum have to go through the Admin/Moderator of wolfdog.org and as such our right to reply is restricted and may be altered/or simply not posted.

admin · 23-04-2012, 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB

We find your actions disturbingly childish, on this occasion we have provided a link to Wikipedia showing clearly that you (ip address 178.239.225.29) have systematically removed our link, other groups and your own in an attempt to discredit our club.

It seems that your club discredit itself.
Please explain me who gave you the right to remove link to Wolfdog (for example on 14:48, 16 April 2012)?

11-03-2012, 19:21	#21
Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 7	website launch Thankyou for all your great help, support and advice We are thrilled to announce the opening of the new website www.czechoslovakianvlcak.co.uk The Official Czechoslovakian Wolfdog [Vlcak] Breed Club of Great Britain Enjoy!

11-03-2012, 19:46	#22
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	Seems it's so shameful be in this club that even the main chairman try to hide his own name. __________________

12-03-2012, 04:18	#23
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	2 observations... 1. At least in America, it is illegal to use the Copyrighted materials of another club's website without permission I would certainly hope the creators of a breed club would have the knowledge, experience, intelligence and ambition to use their own words to describe their breed, and dog breeding in general for their fellow countrymen...or at least ask permission to use the words of another, and give credit to the people who did take the time to create materials... http://www.czechoslovakianvlcak.org/...rreferral.html http://www.czechoslovakianvlcak.co.u...for/4561789716 It seems I have read some of the other materials on your page verbatim as well... 2. Other than joining our Facebook page (as a name of your club, not a person) and promoting your forum without asking, at least I (the president for the The Czechoslovakian Vlcak Club of America) have no clue who anyone in your club is, or what they stand for, or what they have done in their past...so would not and do not give permission to use our club's materials, as we hope only to align our club with breeders and owners who have a past history of embodying the same ethics as we do. Generally most official clubs list their officers, contacts, etc. - who are you guys? By name, by kennel, by dogs? __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com Last edited by GalomyOak; 12-03-2012 at 20:51.

12-03-2012, 06:48	#24
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	The UK is a World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty participant... __________________ "Learn to do well; seek judgment." www.greyfarer.com/

19-04-2012, 12:00	#32
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	This is directed at wikipedia user: Csvgb (which seems to have been deleted?), as well as IP address: 90.200.122.54 and 2.122.93.24, originating from a broadband provider (Sky Networking Services) in London - the people responsible for making these changes, according to Wikipedia history for the page __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com

18-04-2012, 21:43	#29
Shadowlands Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Vidin Posts: 391	Will whoever is responsible please stop messing with the Wikipedia page. To persistently remove the link to www.vlcak.co.uk was bad enough, but now the links to www.woldog.org and www.czechoslovakianvlcak.org are also being removed Each time this happens, your link appears. The first time this happened, we readded the link to www.vlcak.org and left your link on there (only removing the immensely misleading and unjustified 'official' from your description) but you persistently remove all links but your own; even at one point putting yourselves in twice, once at the top of the list and once near to the end. Wikipedia is a public site and all pertinent groups/clubs/websites have equal right to post a link on there. So please, drop your aggression and your ego and allow this to be the case. People should be allowed to make up their own minds and those who have problems telling the difference between a CsV and an NI should not be removing the links to sites such as this one which is widely recognised as the benchmark site for information on the breed. Thank you

19-04-2012, 22:05	#34
Halslinger Halslinger Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Rhodesia, Worksop Posts: 3	Aye true, don 't need to be a detective to work that one out

20-04-2012, 11:47	#35
Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club GB Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 7	This is our response from Czechoslovakian Wolfdog {Vlcak} Breed Club of Great Britain Shadowlands / Sadie Lands We find your actions disturbingly childish, on this occasion we have provided a link to Wikipedia showing clearly that you (ip address 178.239.225.29) have systematically removed our link, other groups and your own in an attempt to discredit our club. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special...178.239.225.29 The link above clearly shows your actions in removing links, information and sources from the page. We find this completely pathetic . It just adds to the ever increasing list of inappropriate behaviour both yours and your associated vlcak.co.uk companions attempting to discredit our club. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...action=history This shows clearly the cat and mouse game you have been playing with Wikipedia and your attempt last night again to change our link to reflect your own and now Wikipedia is onto you and changed it back within hours. Big brother is always watching you and the evidence is clear shadowlands you and your associates or maybe you alone have caused this and you are making the changes . We simply click to undo your changes and this placed our links back. We have grave concerns about both you and your fellow conspirator’s and your intentions of the breed moving forward in the UK, given the persistent attempts to discredit any other organisation you are simply ensuring that anyone who has or intends to have one of these dogs will never trust anyone. All of our posts on this forum have to go through the Admin/Moderator of wolfdog.org and as such our right to reply is restricted and may be altered/or simply not posted.