Europa Show Budapest 03.-05.10.2008

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by lupis

also judgement i not like because for me it is wrong if you can buy good results.

but i know alud must win and it is planed. not first time you know.

I don´t know who you are and I surely very often don´t agree with judgements on international shows but here again you give statements that include very heavy accusations without any proof.
It is one thing to not agree with some judgements but a totally other to say the judge has been paid. Stefan Stefik is the head of the Slovakian kennel club, I know him personally from several shows, he is very engaged for our breed though as a non specialised judge not always perfect, but he is a judge I am more than sure of that he wasn´t paid and that he tried his very best.
You asked a lot of questions here that show that you don´t know very much of the breed or of breeding rules in itself I don´t think you are the right person to judge any results in this rude way.

Ina

[lupis]

Originally Posted by wolfin

and p.s. this fat bitch not wolfish is world winner ...

world winner? not possible... sorry...

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by lupis

world winner? not possible... sorry...

hmm maybe You not know who mas be judge wolfdog? and see only ones thing
cann say who experience have You? You be breeder, judge or ekspert? sory if this question not like You, but I with me 10 years experience think - "I not know about breed and mas moore learn." But maybe this feel have only old breeder and owner.

[lupis]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

I It is one thing to not agree with some judgements but a totally other to say the judge has been paid. Stefan Stefik is the head of the Slovakian kennel club

i not say you pay stefik of judge. but everybody in italy know if you want to win famous dog show (also in slovak) you need this guy



no problem if your dog is not best one or have no hair or is shy you will win for sure. you not believe me look on handler and winner http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2262/
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2261/
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2149/
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2835/ and you can see more shows with same scheme: same professional handler, different dogs but always winner. also if dog is not so good looking or not good quality. if you go with you dog to famous dog show and see this guy in ring with dog from italia i can vote you loose and he will be winner. so dog show work. here everybody knows it.
same was in budapest - alud was worse looking. much more better were female nr. 2 and nr. 3 in champion class. better look and much better character but she loose. same later. Breezewolf and morgana were 1000% better as alud but alud win. you know why. if you not believe me ask people with dogs in budapest. it is why i hate shows and will never show my future wolfdog.

[lupis]

Originally Posted by wolfin

hmm maybe You not know who mas be judge wolfdog? and see only ones thing
cann say who experience have You? You be breeder, judge or ekspert?

it is you dog? i not know. but it is my personal opinion. i like dogs like hargo or breezewolf with wolf look and not like dog not have so wolf look.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Sorry but no experienced breeder that really knows the breed will go for show results in international shows for judging the qualitiy of the dog.
When I am looking for a stud dog or a puppy I don´t care at all for those show results or champion titels because all they show is the time the owner spends on shows. I look for Club shows with judges that know the breed and bonitations and mainly we ask experienced people who have seen the dog if we didn´t.
These big shows are occasions where you can see a lot of dogs and meet old friends and shop some dog stuff and nothing else.

Ina

[wolfin]

Ina, Yes, this be true.

Lupis:

about hendler, we mas make only a little thing- buy green shoes.

[furyos]

hi lupis .. first/ thanks a lot if yu think VOLOS can have chance to be europeen winner(y' m the owner) .. but if yu are near the ring yu can note that mr stefik try to have his best opinion beetween BLUE and VOLOS .... well ;BLUE come from my kennel .. it's true BUT(sorry y like this word) if yu look his dog show results he win a lot of tittles and not mr stefik judge .. if yu look better him yu can note very good qualities (y choose him for edit) to breed .. he's really in the standart (construction /coat /type /origin parent's etc .... ).. and sure if yu prefer wolfish type .. and just this .. yu can prefer his brother(next year) CKYNAI more younger but more wolfish PERHAPS or his sister BOHEME (french champion) or BLAZY ...In general a judge have HIS opinion and we don't need to pay to win .. Y EVER win front this handler (with green shoes)yu show in picture .. and y m not international handler ... sure he have his style and he is professional ...but what and where is the problem if some kennels want him to keep more chance in competition ... y m not jalous about this ...what dog yu have in budapest? y spend a real good time there and try to speak with everybody .. sincerly y don't understand yur topic ... but y respect yur idea ... best regards .. frank

[lupis]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

When I am looking for a stud dog or a puppy I don´t care at all for those show results or champion titels because all they show is the time the owner spends on shows. I look for Club shows with judges that know the breed and bonitations and mainly we ask experienced people who have seen the dog if we didn´t.

I am sad because I hear Mr. Stefik is good judge and he know wolfdogs. And in Budapest he was not evaluating dogs but handler. Very sad for me he plays same thing like many italian breeders play. It mean not dog is important but who show dog

[lupis]

Originally Posted by furyos

but if yu are near the ring yu can note that mr stefik try to have his best opinion beetween BLUE and VOLOS .... well ;BLUE come from my kennel .. it's true BUT(sorry y like this word) if yu look his dog show results he win a lot of tittles and not mr stefik judge...

I know more dogs with many titles i don't like. Now i know too i also not like some world winners and Budapest europe winner
Sorry i write about Blue but i write because you write more Blue is so very much wolf and perfect and i see him in Budapest and it is different what you write because he is normal as many dogs i see and not very much special. In my country i see many dogs with look like or more wolf like Blue. I must propose my friends to glorify their dogs like you do

Originally Posted by furyos

if yu look better him yu can note very good qualities (y choose him for edit) to breed .. he's really in the standart (construction /coat /type /origin parent's etc .... ).. and sure if yu prefer wolfish type .. and just this .. yu can prefer his brother(next year) CKYNAI more younger but more wolfish PERHAPS or his sister BOHEME (french champion) or BLAZY ...

I look in photos but it is not i think. Boheme and Blazy are nor very much wolf for me. Like Blue.... Maybe when i see it i change my opinion but on photos are similar to Blue. Sorry but it is not my type I mean For me wolfdog as wolf look different.

Originally Posted by furyos

what dog yu have in budapest? y spend a real good time there and try to speak with everybody

I not have dog now but i seach good breeder. In italia i know some very good but i think about import some new good line. I hope to meat some famous breeders in Budapest but nobody is there. Maybe i will have holidays and i will come to slovakia to summer camp and meet there breeders because i hear best breeders always meet there.

[lupis]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Lupis:
about hendler, we mas make only a little thing- buy green shoes.

I see that you know this handler and you know i write true I not plan show my dog very much but i not like when dog is not important but people. I am not naive because i know how some breeders win in my country and everybody know some big kennels win more because judge know big breeders. But i think it is only italian speciality and in slovakia it look different

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by lupis

i not say you pay stefik of judge. but everybody in italy know if you want to win famous dog show (also in slovak) you need this guy



no problem if your dog is not best one or have no hair or is shy you will win for sure. you not believe me look on handler and winner http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2262/
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2261/
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2149/
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2835/ and you can see more shows with same scheme: same professional handler, different dogs but always winner. also if dog is not so good looking or not good quality. if you go with you dog to famous dog show and see this guy in ring with dog from italia i can vote you loose and he will be winner. so dog show work. here everybody knows it.
same was in budapest - alud was worse looking. much more better were female nr. 2 and nr. 3 in champion class. better look and much better character but she loose. same later. Breezewolf and morgana were 1000% better as alud but alud win. you know why. if you not believe me ask people with dogs in budapest. it is why i hate shows and will never show my future wolfdog.

But did he win WDS 08 ??? He did show two dogs, Arimminum Naboo and Arimminum Big Wakan Wolf...

Is he a good handler ??? Yes I think he was very good, maby eaven exellent

Regards / Mikael

[woland77]

Originally Posted by lupis

it is you dog? i not know. but it is my personal opinion. i like dogs like hargo or breezewolf with wolf look and not like dog not have so wolf look.

Maybe if you don't know that on Czw FCI standard you can find more information, not only wolf look...I, and many people than write here was in Budapest, why you dont say: "Hi, i'm Lupis, we talking about czw?"...is better to talk on real...Ciao!!!

[lupis]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Is he a good handler ??? Yes I think he was very good, maby eaven exellent

Yes, he is exellent. But in dog show is better if dog is exellent not handler

[SARKA]

An excellent handler presents excellent dogs only; on the contrary, his professionalism would disappear.
Fabrizio is an excellent handler.
For what concerns Alud, she won the "specialty" in Slovakia BOB presented by his owner Massimo Zerboni, Oskar Dora as judge.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by lupis

Yes, he is exellent. But in dog show is better if dog is exellent not handler

Please Lupis if you are not OK whit the judges, e-mail FCI
It is not nice to say bad things about others dogs !!!
And if you realy know somebody that pays the judge, call the police
And if not, say nothing and be cool

And when/if you win a dogshow one day, was that judge good or bad ???

Regards / Mikael