DM Testresults - Page 18

michaelundinaeichhorn · 31-10-2011, 19:39

Hi Simona,

I didn't mean you in particular.
As I said, I'm happy for any dog and owner.
But you can see a certain tendency in the published results...

Ciao,
Michael

simo · 31-10-2011, 23:10

Hi Michael i understand what you say..

SARKA · 03-11-2011, 10:10

Arimminum Istar Ketty Pry N/DM
father Charon Seda Eminence ?
mother Ambra Vlci nadeje N/N

Arimminum Vega N/DM
father Cutt ?
mother Arimminum Istar Ketty Pry N/DM

Arimminum Zoe N/N
father Dak z Rosikova ?
mother Arimminum Lada ?

Arimminum Wolga N/N
father Quan Passo del lupo ?
mother Arimminum Odette N/N

Arimminum Sunrise N/N
father Arimminum Timber Wolf N/N
mother Arimminum Istar Ketty Pry N/DM

doublewolf · 14-11-2011, 19:39

Received today from Laboklin the DM officials certificate
Cosmo Daniel Elite Fenics, Cosmo Daniel Elite Farah , Di Sweety de la Mollyniere de lo'Scale

doublewolf · 14-11-2011, 19:54

Cosmo Daniel Elite Fenics
Degenerative Myelopathy - PCR
result Genotype N/N

Cosmo Daniel Elite Farah
Degenerative Myelopathy - PCR
Result Genotype N/N

Di' Sweerty De La Mollyniere de Lo' Scale
Degenerative Myelopathy - PCR
Result Genotype N/N

*Satu · 15-11-2011, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Hi all,

don't get me wrong, I'm really happy to read of all those negative test results in the last few months.
According to these good news we seem to have no problems at all.
But where are all the N/DM and DM/DM dogs which make a considerable number of the whole population.
We're talking of approximately 30-40 % of the population.
They seem to have disappeared...

Michael

They have not disappeared, and a big part of the sick dogs, does not publish the results.

Also, a few N / N female to use N / DM males for fear of bad results.
Good bye genepol...

Silvester · 15-11-2011, 16:42

Originally posted by Satu:

"....and a big part of the sick dogs, does not publish the results."

Hmmmm- up to now I did not know that these dogs are themselves posting anything here ??

Must be VERY clever ones - I would immediately take all of them for breeding ! This intelligence of course is much more important than the DM- results, right?

Ok, seriously now again - Michael is right and Satu also ! It would be a big loss for the whole race if all ( or even only a lot of ! ) breeders now will ONLY breed with "N / N" dogs .

Just for the reasons Satu told: "Good bye genepol... "

That´s completely right!

Best greetings , Silvester

jmvdwiel · 15-11-2011, 22:18

I did search the comming litters and to my positive surprise breeders are also using the males that are cariers to their free females

SO

to those breeders who wants to have an healthy breed and use cariers.

greetings judith

André · 23-11-2011, 12:45

A simple question:
From what age the test can be made? For example, can it be made with 2 week puppies?

Enid Black · 23-11-2011, 13:14

The only thing that you need to make a test is a blood sample, so, yes you could do it on very small puppies... Anyway, just not to scramble them too much, and to have correct datas, it could be done when you put the Microchip, so you could pair the sample to the chip number and be absolutely SURE about the owner of the blood

Shadowlands · 23-11-2011, 13:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by André

A simple question:
From what age the test can be made? For example, can it be made with 2 week puppies?

I have asked that same question to Laboklin and they replied just like Enid - as long as the puppies have been microchipped, the sample can be taken at any age. It must be a blood sample for babies as you cannot isolate them from all other dogs long enough to ensure no cross contamination of the sample. We are intending to have all the puppies from our next litter (and any future litters) tested early in their life, this is why I asked

In fact, Laboklin have offered a (small) discount for bulk tests

TanjaP · 23-11-2011, 14:46

We chip and test our D-Litters with 6 weeks without any problems. Only DMTest, therefore you need not too much blood.

z Peronówki · 24-11-2011, 12:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

don't get me wrong, I'm really happy to read of all those negative test results in the last few months.
According to these good news we seem to have no problems at all.
But where are all the N/DM and DM/DM dogs which make a considerable number of the whole population.
We're talking of approximately 30-40 % of the population.
They seem to have disappeared...

It is right... Let"s be honest - cheating is usefull. Kennels which publish only good reasults and hide all ill dogs are considered by puppy buyers to be more "healthy" than kennels who publish all results... Sad but true.

The same is with ED, HD and dwarfism results. At the moment only in Czech Republic the club publish ALL hd-results which are made. In any other country cheating (hiding of the results) is still possible...

z Peronówki · 24-11-2011, 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Satu

The responsibility for the litter is a breeder and owner of the breeding male. However, we can not DM the disease gene to reduce the population. We often forget what they are doing and go to extremes. I have a DM sick dog and I know what it is like to live with it but I did not panic with it.

It is the right point. It is no problem to breed even with DM/DM dogs (if they are worth to be used) because with N/N partners they will give puppies which will be never ill...

If a breeder will make matings acording to this:

DM/DM x N/N
DM/N x N/N
N/N x N/N

he/she will never get ill dogs. And we will not loose any genes...

*Satu · 24-11-2011, 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by z Peronówki

It is right... Let"s be honest - cheating is usefull. Kennels which publish only good reasults and hide all ill dogs are considered by puppy buyers to be more "healthy" than kennels who publish all results... Sad but true.

The same is with ED, HD and dwarfism results. At the moment only in Czech Republic the club publish ALL hd-results which are made. In any other country cheating (hiding of the results) is still possible...

In fin database can tell true also There is all healty results.

z Peronówki · 24-11-2011, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Satu

In fin database can tell true also There is all healty results.

Yes, you are right. In the official database of the French kennel club all results are visible too. I think the same is in Italy since some time, if I'm not wrong....

Nebulosa · 08-12-2011, 16:49

I just received the test results of my dogs, thank you very much Daniela

Mona Radov dvor N/N
Hero Oskar Dor N/N
Jezebeth z Peronowki N/DM
Arthas Taura Bera N/N
Iran Zemplínská oblast N/DM

GRABA · 08-12-2011, 19:54

LARSON "Dar wilka" DM N/N

simo · 29-12-2011, 11:21

Ashanti N/N
Dream Olim Palus N/N
Enrichetta Olim Palus N/DM

Results from Laboklin.

so all the litter " J..Olim Palus" and "I..Olim Palus" are N/N.

BRUCH · 30-12-2011, 09:20

Chett Maly Bysterec : N/N

Ostin Lupi del Montale: N/N

Ezar Lupi del Montale: N/N

Joy Lupi del Montale: N/N

Udug z Peronowki: N/DM

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www.lupidelmontale.it

Obra Arimminum (from Eligo and Ambra both N/N)
so Nevea Nemesys....

31-10-2011, 23:10	#342
simo OLIM PALUS KENNEL Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Latina Posts: 1,167	re Hi Michael i understand what you say.. __________________ Simona... & Olim Palus Kennel www.olimpalus.net

03-11-2011, 10:10	#343
SARKA Arimminum Kennel Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rimini Posts: 1,230	Arimminum Istar Ketty Pry N/DM father Charon Seda Eminence ? mother Ambra Vlci nadeje N/N Arimminum Vega N/DM father Cutt ? mother Arimminum Istar Ketty Pry N/DM Arimminum Zoe N/N father Dak z Rosikova ? mother Arimminum Lada ? Arimminum Wolga N/N father Quan Passo del lupo ? mother Arimminum Odette N/N Arimminum Sunrise N/N father Arimminum Timber Wolf N/N mother Arimminum Istar Ketty Pry N/DM __________________ Sarka Matrasova www.lupocecoslovacco.it

14-11-2011, 19:54	#345
doublewolf doublewolf Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Favria-TO Posts: 121	more info Cosmo Daniel Elite Fenics Degenerative Myelopathy - PCR result Genotype N/N Cosmo Daniel Elite Farah Degenerative Myelopathy - PCR Result Genotype N/N Di' Sweerty De La Mollyniere de Lo' Scale Degenerative Myelopathy - PCR Result Genotype N/N __________________ Silvana, Walter e Farah e Fenics e Sweety e .....Best Baloo e.... i felini di casa

23-11-2011, 13:14	#350
Enid Black Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Arezzo Posts: 1,142	The only thing that you need to make a test is a blood sample, so, yes you could do it on very small puppies... Anyway, just not to scramble them too much, and to have correct datas, it could be done when you put the Microchip, so you could pair the sample to the chip number and be absolutely SURE about the owner of the blood __________________ Enid Black, Gianni, Spettro and Kira

23-11-2011, 14:46	#352
TanjaP Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 63	We chip and test our D-Litters with 6 weeks without any problems. Only DMTest, therefore you need not too much blood. __________________

31-10-2011, 19:39	#341
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Hi Simona, I didn't mean you in particular. As I said, I'm happy for any dog and owner. But you can see a certain tendency in the published results... Ciao, Michael

15-11-2011, 16:42	#347
Silvester Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 369	Originally posted by Satu: "....and a big part of the sick dogs, does not publish the results." Hmmmm- up to now I did not know that these dogs are *themselves* posting anything here ?? Must be VERY clever ones - I would immediately take all of them for breeding ! This intelligence of course is much more important than the DM- results, right? Ok, seriously now again - Michael is right and Satu also ! It would be a big loss for the whole race if all ( or even only a lot of ! ) breeders now will ONLY breed with "N / N" dogs . Just for the reasons Satu told: "Good bye genepol... " That´s completely right! Best greetings , Silvester

15-11-2011, 22:18	#348
jmvdwiel Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,061	I did search the comming litters and to my positive surprise breeders are also using the males that are cariers to their free females SO to those breeders who wants to have an healthy breed and use cariers. greetings judith

23-11-2011, 12:45	#349
André Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 76	A simple question: From what age the test can be made? For example, can it be made with 2 week puppies?

08-12-2011, 16:49	#357
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	I just received the test results of my dogs, thank you very much Daniela Mona Radov dvor N/N Hero Oskar Dor N/N Jezebeth z Peronowki N/DM Arthas Taura Bera N/N Iran Zemplínská oblast N/DM __________________

08-12-2011, 19:54	#358
GRABA Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sosnowiec Posts: 1,687	LARSON "Dar wilka" DM N/N __________________ http://darwilka.blogspot.com/

29-12-2011, 11:21	#359
simo OLIM PALUS KENNEL Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Latina Posts: 1,167	re Ashanti N/N Dream Olim Palus N/N Enrichetta Olim Palus N/DM Results from Laboklin. so all the litter " J..Olim Palus" and "I..Olim Palus" are N/N. __________________ Simona... & Olim Palus Kennel www.olimpalus.net

30-12-2011, 09:20	#360
BRUCH Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Senigallia (Ancona) Posts: 429	Chett Maly Bysterec : N/N Ostin Lupi del Montale: N/N Ezar Lupi del Montale: N/N Joy Lupi del Montale: N/N Udug z Peronowki: N/DM ----------------------------- www.lupidelmontale.it Obra Arimminum (from Eligo and Ambra both N/N) so Nevea Nemesys....