Mixes: Dark (Italy)

[jefta]

Great work

But I have some questions:
why this dog is mix. his parents are pure breed or not?

which criteria classify a dog as "non-fci"?

[admin]

Originally Posted by jefta

But I have some questions:
why this dog is mix. his parents are pure breed or not?

The pedigree is fake. The parents of this dog are not his real parents - everybody knows it and even the breeder confirmed that this dog is not a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. But there is no chance to fix the data in the pedigrees - the only chance is to mandion it in the database.
Dark was imported from USA and have nothing to do with CzW. What is also visible by his offspring having typical Husky/malamute coat.

[pedrocalle]

Why does word appear in some dogs mix? Perhaps are not they pure? If they are not pure why they continue appearing?

I have seen the case of this dog:

http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/6378


His parents appear like authentic and he not. If it it is not why there is assigned he these parents?

[Tuky]

Hi pedro in the Spanish phorum is explained, I took in translating

[pedrocalle]

no me refiero a por qué pone la palabra MIX , eso lo tengo claro.
El post lo he puesto porque si estamos asegurando que un perro viene de un cruce ¿por qué ese mestizo o su descendencia tienen pedigrees reales y además ganan concursos?¿cómo puede un mestizo ganar en un corcurso a un perro de raza ?


I do not refer for what the word puts MIX, have it clear.
The post I have put it because if we are assuring that a dog comes from a crossing why this half-caste one or his descent have royal pedigrees and in addition they gain contests? How the can half-caste one win in a corcurso to a pedigree dog?

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by pedrocalle

I do not refer for what the word puts MIX, have it clear.
The post I have put it because if we are assuring that a dog comes from a crossing why this half-caste one or his descent have royal pedigrees and in addition they gain contests? How the can half-caste one win in a corcurso to a pedigree dog?

Hello Pedrocalle,

I am just guessing, but I think I understand what you are talking about. Dark is listed as a Mix and one of his sons, example V'wayths von den Wächter der Krone appears to have been shown and earned some placements. And you are wondering how they can enter exhibitions in the first place?

I think the answer is that in some countries it is still possible to register mix as CsV - it is not openly done but there are ways to do it. If the pedigree is falsified, for example, or if some country still accepts open registration (like American Kennel Club FSS registration, sometimes you just need a picture of the dog, no need for pedigree..)

There are many ways in which to falsely register a dog; of course, the country's kennel club should punish those who do so if it is provable. In the US if it is found out, the offender can be suspended from American Kennel Club privileges for years and also fined. I know of a lady who registered some puppies to another dam and sire and she was caught; she was suspended for 5 years and had a $1000USD fine.

[Rona]

Admin has already explained this case here: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=14871

[yukidomari]

Thanks Rona!

My question is if everyone knows his pedigree is false, why can't the Kennel Club change or revoke the pedigree?

Why can his offspring compete as CsV?

[wildwolf]

how writes MIX behind my dog and why?????? what did it mean...???
I won't to know how has this information and why did it sai my dog is a MIX an a MIX of what?????????????????

[wolfin]

Dark not was a pure CSW, I think from this.

[wildwolf]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Dark not was a pure CSW, I think from this.

Who says it isn't what'i the reason of this, there is the pedigree of all 4 generation and she has expo with verry godd and eccelent? Who is the person what says it is a Mix? Wher is the documation?

[yukidomari]

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...69&postcount=4

I suppose the breeder says so..

[admin]

Originally Posted by wildwolf

Who says it isn't what'i the reason of this, there is the pedigree of all 4 generation and she has expo with verry godd and eccelent?

Dog show results tell nothing about a dog. Already this year two Malamute-GSD-CLC mixes became World Winners. DANKO Passo del Lupo and VACUNA Passo del Lupo. The judge (what a shame!) was from Czech Republic. One of the Italian mixes CHANEL Passo del Lupo became European Winner in Brno. The judge was from Slovakia - another shame for the origin country.
It shows clealry that even a Malamute mix can be show winner.

[wildwolf]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...69&postcount=4

I suppose the breeder says so..

You can posted the real mail..'and who has firmed becouse the real breeder was dead year ago in am incident has writ this mail his son ? Who has firmed ! And can you co firm the mail is semd to your adress and is your o his responsability to posted?
I would know it becouse Igoing to make e case in giudice of this declaration!
Ps I know onlky the Dna can confirmthe real and tru facts not a result in expo, amnd so i would know if there is a Dna esame maked?
Thank you?

[admin]

Originally Posted by wildwolf

You can posted the real mail..'and who has firmed becouse the real breeder was dead year ago in am incident has writ this mail his son ? Who has firmed !

The name was Giancarlo Rinauro. I think there are still some Italian breeders who can confirm his words that Dark was an american cross.

[wildwolf]

YVES Rinauro mi have writen she has neve write some things, and I say youm giancarlo couldn't have write this , because s0he is daed in an incident befor 2011!
Yves have write to the admin 3 mails to have a answer why someone writes MIX, but nobody has rispose!
There is something not correct !
Dark is not a dog of this breeder he is from a, breeder of Florence!
You have the Dna test of Dark o any other of this dogs what in this site are declared MIX??????

[admin]

Originally Posted by wildwolf

YVES Rinauro mi have writen she has neve write some things, and I say youm giancarlo couldn't have write this , because s0he is daed in an incident befor 2011!

Yes, that's correct. This information was sent many years ago by Rinauro who died 2011. It seams to be a public information and a reason why Dark line was boycotted by Italian breeders and died out in Italy. Some dogs were sent to France and are part of the French population of mixes.