British Kennel Club Recognition

Nebulosa · 29-09-2011, 20:20

Why dont you make two groups?
One open to other breeders and more experienced people (which you trust) to help - worldwide - and one close and invisible ONLY to UK serious breeders, to decide and judge what has been talked on the first group, also to decide together who will make what, which interesting litters should you import pups and which interesting studs should you seek for cover your females and so on?

hedeon · 29-09-2011, 20:23

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Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Why dont you make two groups?
One open to other breeders and more experienced people (which you trust) to help - worldwide - and one close and invisible ONLY to UK serious breeders, to decide and judge what has been talked on the first group, also to decide together who will make what, which interesting litters should you import pups and which interesting studs should you seek for cover your females and so on?

need time to find out who should be in the inner circle

happyfeet · 29-09-2011, 20:35

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Originally Posted by hedeon

need time to find out who should be in the inner circle

Dont you think from this statement you have just isolated the group, this is totally rediculous!!!!!!!!

hedeon · 29-09-2011, 20:40

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

Dont you think from this statement you have just isolated the group, this is totally rediculous!!!!!!!!

I said before that club should have something like conclave, core. People who will take most important decisions about club

happyfeet · 29-09-2011, 20:42

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Originally Posted by hedeon

I said before that club should have something like conclave, core. People who will take most important decisions about club

or line their own pockets shocked and disgusted and you dont even own a dog! horrified

hedeon · 29-09-2011, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

or line their own pockets shocked and disgusted and you dont even own a dog! horrified

I have never said I should be in that conclave, or inner circle.

happyfeet · 29-09-2011, 20:34

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Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Why dont you make two groups?
One open to other breeders and more experienced people (which you trust) to help - worldwide - and one close and invisible ONLY to UK serious breeders, to decide and judge what has been talked on the first group, also to decide together who will make what, which interesting litters should you import pups and which interesting studs should you seek for cover your females and so on?

does that not defeat the object for UK owners and breeders? only 1 group is required. already you are choosing who you want in your click? would it not be better to be open and upfront if you want a recognised breed in the UK and everyone working together in my opinion.

Nebulosa · 29-09-2011, 21:02

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

does that not defeat the object for UK owners and breeders? only 1 group is required. already you are choosing who you want in your click? would it not be better to be open and upfront if you want a recognised breed in the UK and everyone working together in my opinion.

Why would it defeat? what defeat the objective of select a breed properly is mixing people who want make the things seriously with people who never have done something right before and yet consider themselves specialists because "they have thousands years of experience".
Considering that CzW is not an new breed in UK, but an breed which already has been bred there and was KILLED by its own breeders - which were supose to protect and select the breed - and that's why we have this topic right now.
To make an open group which allows everyone to get in would be like an early death.

Sorry, but I would never send a dog to someone who are in the same group of Pacino, for exemple.

If they want to start again, they will NEED to be VERY selective of who will make part as breeder in their group, mainly in an country with burned reputation worldwide like in UK.

Contrary you will never be able to revive the breed there, as maximaly you will get will be low quality dogs which none wants in their country.

Tassle · 29-09-2011, 21:10

Any Club has a committee??

It is set up by electing a chairperson, etc .....

What's the problem with everyone joining, maybe everyone who is interested doing a Bio and what they hope to sort for the club, then everyone electing? Or putting forwards names?

yukidomari · 29-09-2011, 21:15

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Originally Posted by Tassle

Any Club has a committee??

It is set up by electing a chairperson, etc .....

What's the problem with everyone joining, maybe everyone who is interested doing a Bio and what they hope to sort for the club, then everyone electing? Or putting forwards names?

Well, I understand what you mean but the problem with letting 'everyone' elect is that obviously as the situation is in the UK it seems that a large portion of people would vote contrary to the well-being of the breed?

That's why in clubs, there are rules as to who holds voting status usually. ..everyone is free to join, but not everyone is free to vote.

Tassle · 29-09-2011, 21:21

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

Well, I understand what you mean but the problem with letting 'everyone' elect is that obviously as the situation is in the UK it seems that a large portion of people would vote contrary to the well-being of the breed?

That's why in clubs, there are rules as to who holds voting status usually. ..everyone is free to join, but not everyone is free to vote.

I can see where you are coming from, but I also think somehow this has to be done fairly to stop as much bad feeling as possible.
There is so much bad feeling about, that any exclusion at the moment is going to seem like there is a hidden agenda.

Possibly a temporary committee, until peoples loyalty and commitment can be assessed?

Nebulosa · 29-09-2011, 21:39

Another important thing, I told 2 different groups, one closed to selected UK breeders which will REALLY breed pure Czechoslovakian wolfdogs or help the breed in serious way, and one to people worldwide helps, like other breeders, do you all wonder why?
Then, read this topic to have an idea of what people from other countries had already passed with some "breeders" who pops trying to sell dogs in an easy way for any owner who whish it and is willing to pay the price required.

It's not only for importing pups, but with an closed group you will be able to talk openly about "why not use stud X or Y" in your breeding at that moment, without the owner or the breeder of the said stud pops at your forum in an hysterical attack telling that his stud is perfect because he won several shows and have no health problems.

Unfortunatelly, not all people are mature enough to openly accept that some times their studs or pups are not interesting to one country specifically.

29-09-2011, 20:20	#1
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	Why dont you make two groups? One open to other breeders and more experienced people (which you trust) to help - worldwide - and one close and invisible ONLY to UK serious breeders, to decide and judge what has been talked on the first group, also to decide together who will make what, which interesting litters should you import pups and which interesting studs should you seek for cover your females and so on? __________________

29-09-2011, 21:39	#12
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	Another important thing, I told 2 different groups, one closed to selected UK breeders which will REALLY breed pure Czechoslovakian wolfdogs or help the breed in serious way, and one to people worldwide helps, like other breeders, do you all wonder why? Then, read this topic to have an idea of what people from other countries had already passed with some "breeders" who pops trying to sell dogs in an easy way for any owner who whish it and is willing to pay the price required. It's not only for importing pups, but with an closed group you will be able to talk openly about "why not use stud X or Y" in your breeding at that moment, without the owner or the breeder of the said stud pops at your forum in an hysterical attack telling that his stud is perfect because he won several shows and have no health problems. Unfortunatelly, not all people are mature enough to openly accept that some times their studs or pups are not interesting to one country specifically. __________________

29-09-2011, 21:10	#9
Tassle Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cornwall Posts: 137	Any Club has a committee?? It is set up by electing a chairperson, etc ..... What's the problem with everyone joining, maybe everyone who is interested doing a Bio and what they hope to sort for the club, then everyone electing? Or putting forwards names?