Czechoslovakian SHEPHERDS??!!? - Page 2

Mirkawolf · 22-01-2006, 14:15

Ok, I got your point. But I still think, that to compare a dog breed (CSW) with a wild dog (dingo) is a bit crazy

And a bit risky, because unfortunatelly, many people here in West Europe think the same, that CSW is "half-wolf" or "almost wolf" and thus you cannot do anything with it, or it is extremely difficult. And that is not true and such thinking only does the harm to the breed.
Many of these "wolves" as some people here consider CSW´s seldom make it behind the borders of their garden or kennel. Simply because their owners believe, that it is difficult to teach them walk on the leash (well they think it is difficult or impossible to teach them anything, anyways).

It is absolutely important to remind people all the time, that CSW is a dog breed, it is working breed and as such, if socialised and trained, can do virtualy anything. Yes, it might be harder to teach CSW to do things, than a GSD, but it depends really only on the master of the dog, what and how fast the dog will learn!

Czunksolov · 26-01-2006, 16:25

Sorry is it hard? How is it hard? You want a dog for a bit of company? No special job you need it for? You go and look in a rescue. If you want to cycle across Europe or Australia with your dog just for 'something to do' then reseach, and when you finish researching, reseach some more. COZ A DOG LIVES (could) 13 YEARS. So six months of looking for a breeder is not hard. Reading some library books on dog training, puppy care, dog breeding, dog genetics and dog domestication is not actually hard. And it's virtually free. OK it's hard if you cant read but to find a dog that is basically healthy is not difficult at all. Even at a rescue you get a choice. If you ask for a dog that is unlikely to have any special health problems they won't give you a roach-backed GSD.

Czunksolov · 26-01-2006, 16:29

I think that reply came up on the wrong page. Please disregard. it's totally not a reply to the previous comment

Nebulosa · 23-02-2006, 04:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by slarman

No you can't pass any titles with a Dingo because you can't trial them.They are not considered a dog breed but a native dog.

Wen I know Dingos were domestic dogs that had come back to be wild.
Dingo is not considered one dog breed, but for my see, he can't considered one native dog, being that it is not one realy native dog of the place.

Xena · 08-07-2007, 21:36

Hello,
how is the situation in the uk now?
Is this breed forbidden? What about Iceland and Norway?
Anybody knows?

Koos · 08-07-2007, 22:53

As far as I know has nothing changed also for iceland and Norway.

Greetings,

Letty

Xena · 09-07-2007, 01:48

Maybe someone should try to make a big big complaint ?

solowolf · 09-07-2007, 21:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Czunksolv in UK

I just read "real working breed" ! Oh my God! Did someone just let slip the best bit of info I've heard about CSV? They arent called Czechoslovakian Wolfdog they're called Czechoslovakian Shepherd!!! That means that there is a chance to register new UK-resident CSVs with a proper, not scary name. If I had gone to my local council (who have the final say)asking for their opinion on whether a Wolfdog was counted as a DWA they'd say yes because of the name. If the name can be CORRECTED then all the UK people who want to keep CSV can do so without emigrating!! They just might have to move to a different borough

Oh yeah, and they can only travel around in "unrestricted" boroughs!

hi as everone has told you friend this bred is called the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog and they are in the u.k and they are here to stay your local council need educated on this breed and several councils have now accepted the breed because they have been invited to see the dogs, at present there are over 20 csvs in uk not one has a lience and they never will, my dogs travel freely in uk as do all the rest, please let me know which councils have restrictions on the Csvs? my two 7mths old pups where at a council run fete only last week i had no problems at all,,, regards paul winder kent uk

J.P · 29-07-2007, 14:54

Hello everyone,
Sorry this is a little off topic

but it follows on from Pauls reply and my question is to Paul and Mandy in the UK.
With your approval I would like to purchase a pup from yourselves in the not to distant future (hopefully) and was wondering if I need to get permission from my local council, (I am in the Manchester area) to own a czw? If so is there likely to be a certain department within the council that I should get in touch with and how do I approach the subject, do I just ask for permission to own a csw or ask which dogs need a license?
I would also like to know about the UK czw club which you run, can anybody join?
Look forward to your reply, thank you. J.P.

Per Olav · 09-08-2007, 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoosLetydeGraaff

As far as I know has nothing changed also for iceland and Norway.

Greetings,

Letty

The Norwegian situation is unchanged - I did'nt know there was any resctrictions of owning a CSV in Iceland except for the general ban on dogs in their capital city. Any information is apreciated.
--
Per Olav

Xena · 09-08-2007, 14:54

Hello,
thanks for the info!
I tought it wasn t possible to bring CW in iceland because it is considered a "mix wolf" dog...i could be wrong...do you know anyone that has CW in iceland?
If the problem is restricted to Reykjavik then it isn t a so big problem as I tought... a part the 4 weeks isolation for the importation of pets....
Any futher infos are more than appreciated!

Per Olav · 09-08-2007, 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xena

Hello,
thanks for the info!
I tought it wasn t possible to bring CW in iceland because it is considered a "mix wolf" dog...i could be wrong...do you know anyone that has CW in iceland?
If the problem is restricted to Reykjavik then it isn t a so big problem as I tought... a part the 4 weeks isolation for the importation of pets....
Any futher infos are more than appreciated!

By "googling" I can't find any law prohibiting csvs in Iceland - but on the other hand my knowledege of icelandic is quite limited...

Xena · 10-08-2007, 10:55

The infos about that should be in english anyway...
Anybody knows anybody up there? Just to have sure infos...

Thanks anyway...

*myschievous* · 11-08-2007, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by pacino

they are in the u.k and they are here to stay your local council need educated on this breed and several councils have now accepted the breed because they have been invited to see the dogs, at present there are over 20 csvs in uk not one has a lience and they never will, my dogs travel freely in uk as do all the rest, please let me know which councils have restrictions on the Csvs? my two 7mths old pups where at a council run fete only last week i had no problems at all,,, regards paul winder kent uk

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.P

was wondering if I need to get permission from my local council, (I am in the Manchester area) to own a czw? If so is there likely to be a certain department within the council that I should get in touch with and how do I approach the subject, do I just ask for permission to own a csw or ask which dogs need a license?

This was the reply I received sometime ago when asking a local council near where I live.

So it looks as though although some councils are wiser this one isn't.

I'm not sure if it is the actual council my area is govened by but it is one in the same region.

Quote:

Dear Sir or Madam

Thank you for your enquiry.

I would advise that due to the wolf ancestry of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog I would expect anyone owing such an animal to also possess a Dangerous Wild Animals Act Licence. I also understand that it was once a registered a breed with the Kennel Club, but is has now been deregistered due to the Dangerous Wild Animals Act.

The DWA Act is fairly explicit and the guidance is fairly clear. However, you will always find that some local authorities may interpret the guidance in slightly different ways, and you may find that some of the responses differ slightly.

The following document may also be of use/interest. Please click on the link: http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/gwd/wolfdogs/wolfdogs.pdf

I hope this information is of use.

J.P · 15-08-2007, 15:50

Hello Myschievous,
Thank you for your reply. Can I ask do you live in the same area as me or which council you asked?
What I can't understand though is how can the uk kennel club register dogs then change their minds, how closely do they work with defra? Do defra do checks on what dogs are being registered or has somebody got in touch with defra and told them about the czw's.
If the kennel club were not sure of the rules then surely they should have waited to find out before giving Paul registration papers and building his hopes thinking everything was going to be alright.

*myschievous* · 15-08-2007, 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.P

Can I ask do you live in the same area as me or which council you asked?

Hi

I asked a council in Suffolk which was what I thought was one our town came under - it turns out it isn't our exact council but one close by - I've a feeling the council our town does belong to will have the same answer (I have emailed them this week by the way and I'm awaiting thier response)

Let us know of any answers your council give you when you ask

AMERICANI · 25-08-2011, 01:09

You guys (in Australia) need Pits to hunt down all of those wild pigs destroying the place... Those things are becoming a problem here too...

pixie · 25-08-2011, 17:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rona

One of the Polish breeders has just been involved in making a documentary about her CzWs for one of the British TV companies. Lets hope the film and similar inititives will eventually open the eyes and minds of the British people. I wouldn't count much on DEFRA members

, but just on common TV viewers who love dogs, especially as beautiful and special as CzWs

do you know what this program is called and when it will be shown

22-01-2006, 14:15	#21
Mirkawolf Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brussels Posts: 556	Ok, I got your point. But I still think, that to compare a dog breed (CSW) with a wild dog (dingo) is a bit crazy And a bit risky, because unfortunatelly, many people here in West Europe think the same, that CSW is "half-wolf" or "almost wolf" and thus you cannot do anything with it, or it is extremely difficult. And that is not true and such thinking only does the harm to the breed. Many of these "wolves" as some people here consider CSW´s seldom make it behind the borders of their garden or kennel. Simply because their owners believe, that it is difficult to teach them walk on the leash (well they think it is difficult or impossible to teach them anything, anyways). It is absolutely important to remind people all the time, that CSW is a dog breed, it is working breed and as such, if socialised and trained, can do virtualy anything. Yes, it might be harder to teach CSW to do things, than a GSD, but it depends really only on the master of the dog, what and how fast the dog will learn! __________________ :: :: :: Cira & Ali & Tulip :: :: :: http://vlcisen.mirkawolf.com

29-07-2007, 14:54	#29
J.P Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6	Czechoslovakian Shepherds ? Hello everyone, Sorry this is a little off topic but it follows on from Pauls reply and my question is to Paul and Mandy in the UK. With your approval I would like to purchase a pup from yourselves in the not to distant future (hopefully) and was wondering if I need to get permission from my local council, (I am in the Manchester area) to own a czw? If so is there likely to be a certain department within the council that I should get in touch with and how do I approach the subject, do I just ask for permission to own a csw or ask which dogs need a license? I would also like to know about the UK czw club which you run, can anybody join? Look forward to your reply, thank you. J.P.

26-01-2006, 16:25	#22
Czunksolov Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Prestatyn, Wales Posts: 21	Sorry is it hard? How is it hard? You want a dog for a bit of company? No special job you need it for? You go and look in a rescue. If you want to cycle across Europe or Australia with your dog just for 'something to do' then reseach, and when you finish researching, reseach some more. COZ A DOG LIVES (could) 13 YEARS. So six months of looking for a breeder is not hard. Reading some library books on dog training, puppy care, dog breeding, dog genetics and dog domestication is not actually hard. And it's virtually free. OK it's hard if you cant read but to find a dog that is basically healthy is not difficult at all. Even at a rescue you get a choice. If you ask for a dog that is unlikely to have any special health problems they won't give you a roach-backed GSD.

26-01-2006, 16:29	#23
Czunksolov Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Prestatyn, Wales Posts: 21	I think that reply came up on the wrong page. Please disregard. it's totally not a reply to the previous comment

08-07-2007, 21:36	#25
Xena Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	Hello, how is the situation in the uk now? Is this breed forbidden? What about Iceland and Norway? Anybody knows?

08-07-2007, 22:53	#26
Koos Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 731	As far as I know has nothing changed also for iceland and Norway. Greetings, Letty

09-07-2007, 01:48	#27
Xena Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	Maybe someone should try to make a big big complaint ?

09-08-2007, 14:54	#31
Xena Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	Hello, thanks for the info! I tought it wasn t possible to bring CW in iceland because it is considered a "mix wolf" dog...i could be wrong...do you know anyone that has CW in iceland? If the problem is restricted to Reykjavik then it isn t a so big problem as I tought... a part the 4 weeks isolation for the importation of pets.... Any futher infos are more than appreciated!

10-08-2007, 10:55	#33
Xena Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	The infos about that should be in english anyway... Anybody knows anybody up there? Just to have sure infos... Thanks anyway...

15-08-2007, 15:50	#35
J.P Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6	Hello Myschievous, Thank you for your reply. Can I ask do you live in the same area as me or which council you asked? What I can't understand though is how can the uk kennel club register dogs then change their minds, how closely do they work with defra? Do defra do checks on what dogs are being registered or has somebody got in touch with defra and told them about the czw's. If the kennel club were not sure of the rules then surely they should have waited to find out before giving Paul registration papers and building his hopes thinking everything was going to be alright.

25-08-2011, 01:09	#37
AMERICANI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 111	You guys (in Australia) need Pits to hunt down all of those wild pigs destroying the place... Those things are becoming a problem here too...