Norwegian ban on SW and CzW - Page 13

Grin · 26-12-2009, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rona

I suppose some Polish forum members were simply relieved you gave up the idea of buying a CSV, which are illegal in Norway

Yes, that (I think) is exactly the case.

XaedasKSP · 26-12-2009, 20:08

Quote: "And I regret you violating the efforts of many good people" End of Quote

So because I will get a SW then you think that I will violate the efforts of many good people. So if 11 + other anonymous people will get a SW from the Norwegian breeder and later on many more it will be absolutely ok, but mine SW will violate all the efforts.....well I think its a strange way of thinking but I cant help it if you think so then you are allowed to do so.

But the future can prove it wrong after I will have my SW for a long period of time without anything getting "violated"......

Per Olav · 26-12-2009, 20:27

It should be wise to sit on my fingers

This is not about you - I don't know you and neither do the other members of this forum. Our concern is about anyone who may jeopardize the time consuming work of changing the law. 11+ more or less ignorant owners, no matter the dogs origin mean 11+ more chances of ending the story of the Saarloos Wolfhound in Norway. Because the breed is defined as a - not even a possible but a de facto - dangerous breed, there's no pardon for wolfdogs showing bad behaviour. And dogs do behave... what is considered bad is not up to the owner to decide. Someone may provoke the dog or treat it badly and by that getting the oportunity of accusing it for bad behavior. Even a minor accident which would be considered harmless if carried out by any other dog would do. Which may be fatal not only to the wolfdog itself - but to the future of a breed which by law is reputed dangerous. Not because of its doing but by heritage. It is a simple as that. The law do warn that any accident caused by a SW may lead to reconsidering the legal right of keeping the breed in this country. In my opinnion this should be clearly understood and kept in mind by anyone long before even thinking of purchasing a SW. Have you made the necessary preparations and are you and the 11+ ready for the responsibility?
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po

XaedasKSP · 27-12-2009, 07:40

Yes I am ready for the responsibilty probably more than many of those 11+. And if you really want to be the hero, why dont you organise a puppy course for wolfdogs. I think that both me and many of the future wolfdog owners will join in this so you can teach us how to train our SWs and how to avoid the wolfhaters.

I think that many people who are going to buy a SW will join as long as you dont charge the tripple or higher price for the pup course than on other courses for pups. And we will also travel to your place. So this could be an idea of doing something good for the wolfdogs in Norway. The breeder in Trondheim is not planning something like that but maybe you could to help both the new owners and the whole breed to avoid any accidents. And I promise if you will make something like that there will be many new SW owners with their pups who will attend this pup training course. Maybe it will work better if the course will be in like a week and everyone can book a hotel for that week and attend with the pup instead of something like coming once a week. I dunno if its a good idea but maybe it could work.

Per Olav · 27-12-2009, 10:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

Yes I am ready for the responsibilty probably more than many of those 11+. And if you really want to be the hero, why dont you organise a puppy course for wolfdogs. I think that both me and many of the future wolfdog owners will join in this so you can teach us how to train our SWs and how to avoid the wolfhaters.

Believe me, I have no intention beeing heroic in that way

Raising a by nature skittish and far from easy trainable breed as the sw is not learned by attending a puppy course, it's a life long challenge and living in your country it certainly may be a complex one. Wishing you and the 11+ the very best. Good luck.

Claressa · 29-12-2009, 03:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

I do know of the responsibility its is something needed when owning any dog not only a wolfdog.

Sure, you are supposed to take care of another living creature.
But this is not what I am talking about.
I think Per Olav describing it some better in this post: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...&postcount=243

Quote:

Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

Ahh and I didnt make the reservation "over night" it took like 2 weeks to find a breeder with wolfgrey pups for sale after a long search through the internet and asking many breeders who didnt have any litters or planned ones soon.

Haha! Personally I don`t think 2 weeks are any better. If I were you I would at least try to visit a breeder, before making a desision about if I should purschase a saarloos or not. And also I don`t think color should be so important, I think it is more important to find the rigth induvidual suited for you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

And if you really want to be the hero, why dont you organise a puppy course for wolfdogs.

A littlebit disrespectful I think. In my opinion he already is a hero

No one else that I know of has made such a great effort to avoid or lift the banning. Your doing a great job Per Olav, after visiting your webpage I can see that you also write like a true professional!

Best regards,
Steffen

loup-de-bretagne · 29-12-2009, 21:10

Good luck with your SW pup. It took me six months to find my first one. The Saarloos can be a very difficult dog to live with and not good with strangers or visitors. I had to move house and buy land to walk my dogs on as my neighbours didn't like them at all; even though they always told me how much they like dogs!

The situation in the UK is not very good. Since the change in the law many wolfdogs and cross breeds of wolfdogs have been sold and now a lot of them are for re-homing. People found that they do not suit their 'life style'. Owning one of these dogs means you have to change your life to suit your dog!

Have a good new year 2010.

XaedasKSP · 30-12-2009, 03:52

Well one of my points, was exactly that I live on the outside of a small city and there are very few people who live around my place and there is a nice big forest very close. So a dog that dont like many people around should be happy with the surroundings of the place where I live.

I wish you all a fantastic, successfull new year!

loup-de-bretagne · 30-12-2009, 10:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by XaedasKSP

Well one of my points, was exactly that I live on the outside of a small city and there are very few people who live around my place and there is a nice big forest very close. So a dog that dont like many people around should be happy with the surroundings of the place where I live.

I wish you all a fantastic, successfull new year!

Remember that the SW learns everything in the first 4 months of life. This is the time to socialise him with everybody you know; adults, children and animals. Both mine were horrible pups but matured well!

XaedasKSP · 01-02-2010, 00:53

I have at last got my little wolfie to Norway today. Everything went well with the travel (with the exception of my father having to travel with the pup since I couldnt lend a car in Germany because you have to be 25 to do it), and the customs on Gardermoen where very kind since they didnt make any "drama" when they found out that there is nothing about the Echinococcus worm pill written in the passport. Instead of making any drama or not letting the dog in they called the borderzone veterinary who gave the pup the required pill after he told me that it will for sure not harm the pup to get the pill twice (it have got it already in Germany when it was 5 weeks old according to the breeder). Either way any myths about "bad, evil" customs got busted...

As for the little wolfie herself (yes I got a female instead of a male since the breeder chose the best pup she could choose for me and then it was a female called Miata (Miata Wakanda Tachunga)) it is absolutely awesome, it wasnt afraid at the airport (and there was really many people there) and it didnt looked scared, instead it was sniffing around on things very curious of the new enviroment then the car and finally my home where it will be living. So its indeed a good tempered pup as the breeder said

Ahh and it looks totally awesome too, exactly like a wolfcub....people did actually think its a little wolf until I told them its a Saarloos (when waiting on the veterinary on the airport). And actually NO ONE not even a single person told me anything bad or wanted to harm the pup.....so I have been lucky and missed the whole army of "wolfhaters" that I was warned about, but instead met very many "wolf likers/passionates" and I hope it shall continue that way in Skien where I live.

I shall keep you informed about the success (I hope it will be and I will do everything possible to make it be) story of me and the Saarloos. And post some pictures soon in the picture section of the forum.

Have a nice week everyone!

XaedasKSP · 05-02-2010, 20:01

I have now added the pictures of the little wolfie in my album, made just some minutes ago right now its sleeping on its pillow next to me

(I would edit my last post but somehow the edit button is gone)

hanninadina · 13-02-2010, 00:07

Is it true that csw are still not allowed in norway? Today I telephoned with people who will move from germany to norway. They have a female csw and will probably get a male csw. They told me that they talked to the norway ambassy and they told them that csw are allowed in norway.

Is there some knowledge which is actual?

Thanks

Christian

PS: It is another thing to import a puppy than an adult csw who looks for people who do not really know easy like a wolf.

Per Olav · 13-02-2010, 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanninadina

Is it true that csw are still not allowed in norway? Today I telephoned with people who will move from germany to norway. They have a female csw and will probably get a male csw. They told me that they talked to the norway ambassy and they told them that csw are allowed in norway.

Is there some knowledge which is actual?

Thanks

Christian

PS: It is another thing to import a puppy than an adult csw who looks for people who do not really know easy like a wolf.

Unfortunately the csv is a banned breed in Norway. The embassy is wrong on that point. Here is the list of Norwegian banned dog breeds Please observe the last line of the article "Also dogs that are crossbreeds of dog and wolf are considered to be dangerous. "

Even a puppy will grow up, and if discovered the dog certainly will be put to death.
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Per Ollav

26-12-2009, 20:27	#243
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	It should be wise to sit on my fingers This is not about you - I don't know you and neither do the other members of this forum. Our concern is about anyone who may jeopardize the time consuming work of changing the law. 11+ more or less ignorant owners, no matter the dogs origin mean 11+ more chances of ending the story of the Saarloos Wolfhound in Norway. Because the breed is defined as a - not even a possible but a de facto - dangerous breed, there's no pardon for wolfdogs showing bad behaviour. And dogs do behave... what is considered bad is not up to the owner to decide. Someone may provoke the dog or treat it badly and by that getting the oportunity of accusing it for bad behavior. Even a minor accident which would be considered harmless if carried out by any other dog would do. Which may be fatal not only to the wolfdog itself - but to the future of a breed which by law is reputed dangerous. Not because of its doing but by heritage. It is a simple as that. The law do warn that any accident caused by a SW may lead to reconsidering the legal right of keeping the breed in this country. In my opinnion this should be clearly understood and kept in mind by anyone long before even thinking of purchasing a SW. Have you made the necessary preparations and are you and the 11+ ready for the responsibility? -- po Last edited by Per Olav; 27-12-2009 at 09:31.

26-12-2009, 20:08	#242
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	Quote: "And I regret you violating the efforts of many good people" End of Quote So because I will get a SW then you think that I will violate the efforts of many good people. So if 11 + other anonymous people will get a SW from the Norwegian breeder and later on many more it will be absolutely ok, but mine SW will violate all the efforts.....well I think its a strange way of thinking but I cant help it if you think so then you are allowed to do so. But the future can prove it wrong after I will have my SW for a long period of time without anything getting "violated"......

27-12-2009, 07:40	#244
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	Yes I am ready for the responsibilty probably more than many of those 11+. And if you really want to be the hero, why dont you organise a puppy course for wolfdogs. I think that both me and many of the future wolfdog owners will join in this so you can teach us how to train our SWs and how to avoid the wolfhaters. I think that many people who are going to buy a SW will join as long as you dont charge the tripple or higher price for the pup course than on other courses for pups. And we will also travel to your place. So this could be an idea of doing something good for the wolfdogs in Norway. The breeder in Trondheim is not planning something like that but maybe you could to help both the new owners and the whole breed to avoid any accidents. And I promise if you will make something like that there will be many new SW owners with their pups who will attend this pup training course. Maybe it will work better if the course will be in like a week and everyone can book a hotel for that week and attend with the pup instead of something like coming once a week. I dunno if its a good idea but maybe it could work.

29-12-2009, 21:10	#247
loup-de-bretagne Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 10	Good luck with your SW pup. It took me six months to find my first one. The Saarloos can be a very difficult dog to live with and not good with strangers or visitors. I had to move house and buy land to walk my dogs on as my neighbours didn't like them at all; even though they always told me how much they like dogs! The situation in the UK is not very good. Since the change in the law many wolfdogs and cross breeds of wolfdogs have been sold and now a lot of them are for re-homing. People found that they do not suit their 'life style'. Owning one of these dogs means you have to change your life to suit your dog! Have a good new year 2010.

30-12-2009, 03:52	#248
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	Well one of my points, was exactly that I live on the outside of a small city and there are very few people who live around my place and there is a nice big forest very close. So a dog that dont like many people around should be happy with the surroundings of the place where I live. I wish you all a fantastic, successfull new year!

01-02-2010, 00:53	#250
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	I have at last got my little wolfie to Norway today. Everything went well with the travel (with the exception of my father having to travel with the pup since I couldnt lend a car in Germany because you have to be 25 to do it), and the customs on Gardermoen where very kind since they didnt make any "drama" when they found out that there is nothing about the Echinococcus worm pill written in the passport. Instead of making any drama or not letting the dog in they called the borderzone veterinary who gave the pup the required pill after he told me that it will for sure not harm the pup to get the pill twice (it have got it already in Germany when it was 5 weeks old according to the breeder). Either way any myths about "bad, evil" customs got busted... As for the little wolfie herself (yes I got a female instead of a male since the breeder chose the best pup she could choose for me and then it was a female called Miata (Miata Wakanda Tachunga)) it is absolutely awesome, it wasnt afraid at the airport (and there was really many people there) and it didnt looked scared, instead it was sniffing around on things very curious of the new enviroment then the car and finally my home where it will be living. So its indeed a good tempered pup as the breeder said Ahh and it looks totally awesome too, exactly like a wolfcub....people did actually think its a little wolf until I told them its a Saarloos (when waiting on the veterinary on the airport). And actually NO ONE not even a single person told me anything bad or wanted to harm the pup.....so I have been lucky and missed the whole army of "wolfhaters" that I was warned about, but instead met very many "wolf likers/passionates" and I hope it shall continue that way in Skien where I live. I shall keep you informed about the success (I hope it will be and I will do everything possible to make it be) story of me and the Saarloos. And post some pictures soon in the picture section of the forum. Have a nice week everyone!

05-02-2010, 20:01	#251
XaedasKSP Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skien/Oslo Posts: 83	I have now added the pictures of the little wolfie in my album, made just some minutes ago right now its sleeping on its pillow next to me (I would edit my last post but somehow the edit button is gone)

13-02-2010, 00:07	#252
hanninadina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,466	Is it true that csw are still not allowed in norway? Today I telephoned with people who will move from germany to norway. They have a female csw and will probably get a male csw. They told me that they talked to the norway ambassy and they told them that csw are allowed in norway. Is there some knowledge which is actual? Thanks Christian PS: It is another thing to import a puppy than an adult csw who looks for people who do not really know easy like a wolf.