wolf percentage

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by elf

My little bet, take randomly 100 CSV, 100 GSD, 200 famillies, put one dog in each families ... I bet more GSD will be happy and more CSV will be unhappy. So, one would say, breeders make the difference choising well the familly ... wrong, they mostly care most about money. So protecting the CSV, is highlighting their difficults points and not the opposite.

Well I take this bet because I know this amount. You know what I think, if someone gets himself a CSW because he really wants something as wolflike as possible or if he gets himself a CSW because he want´s to win an IPO championship this is very likely to fail, the needs of the animal don´t meet the needs of the owner. The same if someone is not able to react selfconfident and cosequent to his dog, this doesn´t work out well too.
And I don´t agree with you on the forum, I never read here that CSW are easy going dogs, just people that think that they are special dogs like every other breed too, if this wouldn´t be the case there wouldn´t be breeds.
I wouldn´t let any of my dogs, of any breed I had, run free next to a crowded road, they are dogs not adult humans. But I do a lot of Mantrail-training in quite big cities, next to crowded roads, passing other barking dogs, my dogs work through traffic, passing dogs, people, cars, through restaurants in a highly concentrated manner, very reliable and much better than the Mallinois and GSH having trained with us.

I know a very good example of someone always saying he wasn´t told the truth. He tryed to get a dog from three experienced and responsible breeders, all three refused to give him one and told him to change to a different breed.
He insisted and got himself one of a breeder that doesn´t care about the place as long as the money works out. He got the promised problems due to his inability to cope with the needs of the dog, he has the opinion that is due to wolf behaviour and hyperactivity, he of course didn´t make any mistakes. He got himself a second one second hand, very bad socialised still very shy till today, that is for him now a CSW out of a "dogtyp working line". He has three other dogs of other breeds, one dog he owned before had to be replaced out of behavioural problems, one of the three may be replaced by know, I don´t know for sure.
If you see him and his dogs they show a behaviour against other dogs my five CSW wouldn´t even dare to think about.
Is this due to not being told the truth? No, the reason is the combination of a unrealistic, irresponsible puppybuyer and a greedy breeder, nothing else. Is this a owner problem? Yes I think so, his first CSW was replaced for some time, I saw it several times, a difficult dog due to his upbringing but a total difference in obidience and general appearance. If you tell him that he will answer that the second owner didn´t take the dog outside that simply is untrue there are a lot of people that know that.

Are CSW are easy going dogs? No, not in general but I know much more difficult and very old breeds they just don´t have the bad luck to have such a big attraction on the wrong people.

Coming back to being too hard playing with children: It is in your responsibility to teach the dog borders in play. Two of our puppies came to very small children around two years of age, they played rude with everybody else but never with those children, one of our dogs had a owner that took her to work with in a home for children, never any problems...

You see there are very good examples for both points of views, again, like in all breeds.

Ina

[Rona]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

You see there are very good examples for both points of views, again, like in all breeds.

Very true!

[GalomyOak]

I often wonder if this website causes problems with our dogs being seen as the dogs they are, and NOT hybrids (especially in the US, where people believe everything they read on Wikipedia):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_hybrid

Maybe it is hard for uneducated people to believe that our dogs are not considered hybrids when they google in "wolf hybrid", this link appears first, and the first image underneath the heading "wolf hybrid" is Jolly...

The site does go to explain the dog breeds that have used wolves near the end, but I think it could still be easy to make a mistake if you were not familiar with the CSV

[Rona]

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

I often wonder if this website causes problems with our dogs being seen as the dogs they are, and NOT hybrids (especially in the US, where people believe everything they read on Wikipedia):

See the original text - it has nothing to do with wolf hybrids.: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechos...owacki_wilczak

Wikipedia can be edited by anybody, thus it's good you've noticed it! I suppose the author(s?) will react after returning from the camp.

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by Rona

See the original text - it has nothing to do with wolf hybrids.: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechos...owacki_wilczak

Wikipedia can be edited by anybody, thus it's good you've noticed it! I suppose the author(s?) will react after returning from the camp.

Yes, we have a similar site in English...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakian_Wolf-dog

But this is also wrong in some parts I see - it says that the breed originated in Germany, calls it the Czech Wolfdog...and also has a whole section on the "UK controversy" something that is not very important to English speakers in the US, but I guess maybe to people in UK...of course if you click scroll down to "External links" at the bottom of the page, and click on the "3" or "4", you are redirected to http://ukwolfdogs.com/first.html and http://www.hebrideanwolfdogs.com/, so this reference to the UK begins to make sense...I think someone from the UK had a part in making the Wikipedia entry

I am curious about these 2 dogs...I think maybe there is some CSV here, but it is never mentioned...
http://www.hebrideanwolfdogs.com/about.html

Hmmm...now I am understanding the English confusion with our DOGS being "hybrids" even more...