Study about when to take puppies home.

[Shadowlands]

There are no regulations that I know of here in Bulgaria (and even if there were, nobody would take a blind bit of notice ), but we like our pups to be at least 10 weeks old before they leave (up to date on everything, of course!)

[Nebulosa]

Personally I prefer to let the owners pick up the pups when they have about 90 days old, it's hard to stay with whole litter until this age and keep working in socializing them, but what the pack teaches to the pups helps a lot the future owners. According my experience, it turns the pups much easier to teach and also to accept his hierarchy place in his new pack, it's like if the adults teach them to how to respect and also how to react to different situations envolving dogs and also people.

[hanninadina]

Paula, maybe you wonder, but this is my experience too! It makes the life for the future owner much easier when puppies are raised up by their parents and maybe one, two other adults or even a yearling. And of course you are right that it is real hard stuff to have all these pups around for a longer time.

First I always thought it is better to give a wolfdog to their new place with 6 weeks and a normal dog with 7 weeks. But from their outgoing behaviour it is easier to be teached by other wolfdogs than by us the human being.

But it is almost not possible to socialize 5 - 8 pupps during this most important time of the life of a dog! I socialized 3 pups and of course for everyone of them it had been better if I had to socialize only one. Especially if a pup needs a bit more time. And with socializing I mean, driving by car, going in the city, driving train, going into the Zoo, Coffee shops, Restaurants, Bars all places where a lot of noise is and many many people. and last but not least to puppy dogschool. You need a lot of helping hands to do this.

So in the middle I would give my pupps next time not so early like 6 or 7 weeks but I would say around 10 - 12 weeks. Even bite ignition would be better because the parents teach them.

It depends in which new house they go. Do the people live in the city or in the forrest. Do they want to take their dog everywhere or only for outdoor activities. But of course you never know if this will change in future life of a pup.

Christian

[Shadowlands]

You are so right Christian, it is difficult to socialise a large litter of pups to the outside world (car rides, crowds of people, traffic etc.) but what mum and the pack teach them is just as important. Finding a happy balance between the 2 is a breeder's big challenge (one of them)

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

So in the middle I would give my pupps next time not so early like 6 or 7 weeks but I would say around 10 - 12 weeks. Even bite ignition would be better because the parents teach them.

Christian

we purposely brought our last 3 dogs home when they were 10 weeks old, for exactly these reasons. our Vlcak puppy was still extremely bitey (very hard!!) and mouthy.... a few times he's drawn blood.. and I recall at his breeder's house, he had another puppy besides his brother, plus other adults too, to 'teach' him.

I can't imagine what it would be like to have a Vlcak puppy with even less bite inhibition should I have gotten him at 7-8 weeks..

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

It is generally against German law to separate dog-puppies from their mother earlier than with 8 weeks. If they have to be separated from their mother out of medical reasons they have to stay together till this age.
Also the German kennel club doesn´t allow to give them away before this age. As there is a second control by the kennel club at this time you have to show all puppies at your own place or you are in trouble.
If you get a German puppy before this age without medical need and no matter if FCI or not it is illegal and you should be very aware that the breeder is acting outside the law, no matter what his intentions are.

Ina

[nobrezabranca]

In portugal is the same then in germany,there is a litter confirmation by the portuguese kennel club at aprox 8th week to confirm the number and quality of the puppis of the litter,and if there are any missing,they only issue the number of pedegrees according to the number of puppies they see.some breders sell puppies sooner,because not every litter is verified and they sometimes risk to sell them sooner...
personaly I didn´t sold any puppy before the 10th week at least...
but I have another question,is there a maximum age to sell them?what are the problems if you sell one puppy later,with 4,6,8,9 months,what can be the problems?is there an ideal maximum age to sell puppies?
this is my case,because I had a puppy to sell to brasil first and because of the vaccines and other burocracies,the buyer was getting it only with 3/4 months.after several e-mails exchanged,when everything was almost arranged,he changed his mind and didn't wanted the puppy no more,because he said that it was too heavy and so too expensive to travel!!!better this way,because for me it meant that he really didn't wanted a twd.so I kept her until I thought that I had found a good owner to her,but he had no space for the puppy to be to play as it needs,and as he told me he had, and so after some days I got her back,because money for me isn´t everything!now the puppy is 9 months old,62/3cm at least and 34kg,a little more.I have 2 sisters,but I only can keep one because of the portuguese law!I want to keep both,but...I almost every day take them out to play in the beach and walk among people,cars,other dogs,etc,but they are very attached to me.If and when I find the right owner for her,what must the new owner pay attention to when he takes it home?what must I warn him about?and must the new owner have another dog to play with it because the puppy is used to play with the parents and sister or can it be a single dog?is the space and love of the new owner enough?

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by NobrezaBranca

this is my case,because I had a puppy to sell to brasil first and because of the vaccines and other burocracies,the buyer was getting it only with 3/4 months.after several e-mails exchanged,when everything was almost arranged,he changed his mind and didn't wanted the puppy no more,because he said that it was too heavy and so too expensive to travel!!!

The same woman who almost bought a dog from you has sent several e-mails to me asking for pups before it, she entered in contact with you because she was refused as a possible owner by me due her lack of experience with dogs at all!

After she found too heavy the price of your pup plus the transport fee, she phoned me asking for a pup and trying to convince me about how would be important for her to have -specifically- a Czechoslovakian wolfdog, with quite emotional histories.
I told her that she had no experience enough to own a dog like CzW and that would be better for her to save a life adopting an small/mediun size mongrel, and that in this way she would also gain a lot of experience with dogs.

2 months later she bought a Wippeth, she had so many problems in educate such horribly hard dog, which was crying over the house and destructing her new sofa, that she gave him back to the breeder 3 times!

You accepted to sell the dog to her and you would have done it if she had payed for it, I wonder if you would have traveled as far as Brazil for rescue him or if you would let him die 3 days after being rescued by our shelters.. maybe he could have been sold to some kind of puppy miller here.

Oh yes, as experience she had miniature Pintcher which died drowned in the swimming pool of her mother's house, and she let very clear that her new big size pet would live in her mother's garden, because she lives in an small flat!
At her very first e-mail she let clear that she expected from CzW to be as good as the police's Malinois!

That was exactly why I did this topic
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20542