Forming a breed club in the US

Rona · 04-02-2009, 10:02

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Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

So, for now, I am just trying to learn as much as I can on my own - in the US with my own dogs, and the internet, and also in Europe. I reallllly look forward to seeing a bonitation and and some other events (conformation and working) in the home countries not too far from now!For sure, when the wonderful day arrives when we do have a club in the US, I hope to maintain very close contact with both the Slovakian club and Czech club.

Hi Marcy, I'm really impressed by your attitude and approach to breeding CSVs in the USA...

If people like you - responsible, ethical and willing to learn from experts get involved in developing the breed in America, if the owners manage to build a network of enthusiasts and gain solid competence BEFORE they start breeding, I'm sure CSVs will be in good hands and have better prospects than in another "non-European country"

I honestly appreaciate your transparent plans and clear policies and offer my support however limited it may be.

Anyway, see you soon in Krakow

Rona

GalomyOak · 07-02-2009, 02:21

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Originally Posted by Rona

Hi Marcy, I'm really impressed by your attitude and approach to breeding CSVs in the USA...

If people like you - responsible, ethical and willing to learn from experts get involved in developing the breed in America, if the owners manage to build a network of enthusiasts and gain solid competence BEFORE they start breeding, I'm sure CSVs will be in good hands and have better prospects than in another "non-European country"

I honestly appreaciate your transparent plans and clear policies and offer my support however limited it may be.

Anyway, see you soon in Krakow

Rona

Thanks! I really can't wait until April! I think it will be so much more fun to talk in person!

I think it will take a lot of effort before the breed is considered "developed" here, and hopefully, lots of years - we have a saying here: "You must wait for all good things". There is no rush; if somebody in the US is really determined to buy a CSV, they can buy one in Europe - so there is no need here to breed for the overall good of the CSV, especially with our limited bloodlines, no experienced judges of the breed, and no bonitations...that means there is a nice freedom here only to breed if conditions are just right - perfect new families lined up, good health, good characters, interesting match with good genetic diversity, good exterior, working titles obtained, etc.

Do widzenia (I think

), Rona!

Marcy

solowolf · 08-02-2009, 00:39

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Originally Posted by Rona

Hi Marcy, I'm really impressed by your attitude and approach to breeding CSVs in the USA...

If people like you - responsible, ethical and willing to learn from experts get involved in developing the breed in America, if the owners manage to build a network of enthusiasts and gain solid competence BEFORE they start breeding, I'm sure CSVs will be in good hands and have better prospects than in another "non-European country"

I honestly appreaciate your transparent plans and clear policies and offer my support however limited it may be.

Anyway, see you soon in Krakow

Rona

hi, so are you going to tell us the name of the non European country ? funny all your emails have to have a pop at someone or another country, so please Rona inlighten us all to which non European country you talk about and why? regards pacino eagerly awaiting your reply as i am sure many others are as well.....

Rona · 08-02-2009, 02:16

I've always thought UK was geographically part of Europe and politically a member of European Union... was I mistaken?

GalomyOak · 04-12-2009, 02:30

So, finally, I think we will have a website for our very informal "club" - but, hopefully something we can grow and move forward from.

I am asking for the help of the wolfdog community...

1. What would be some useful links to add to our site? For instance: CSV clubs from different countries, links to online European registration databases, etc. I'm sure there are plenty of links I have not stumbled upon - and, they do not need to be in English.

2. Is there anyone that would be willing to share some photos for a gallery (with credit given to the photographer, of course)? I think it would be especially to useful to have some photos of very correct conformation, working photos, bonitations, etc. My biggest goal with these photos is to open the eyes of newcomers to the wonderful possibilities, versatility, dedication and hard work of breeders up to this point, and of course, the beauty of our breed. Photos can be sent to: [email protected]

Thank you in advance!

Marcy

draggar · 21-02-2010, 02:38

I know this thread is almost a year old but you have our support, Marcy.

yukidomari · 19-03-2010, 18:04

Marcy,

I hope that if a breed club is established, it will be one of the stricter breed clubs out there. There is a huge variety of breed clubs, standards, bylaws, and who they will or will not list as breeders on their site.. I think the stricter ones like the French Bulldog club (in the US, breeders will not appear on referral or list if they have not been with the club for at least 3 years and have not bred at least 1 dog to have titled CH.)

Then there are clubs that seem like just about anything goes. Not a whole lot of clubs mandate relevant health testing.. it's all just pretty much 'research your breeder and even if these breeders appear on our list, we do not explicitly endorse them' type deals.

Personally, I would like very much to see a club that requires at the least the mandatory relevant health testing of breeding dogs in order to be listed, as well as minimum ages to be bred. One of our dogs' breed club requires new owners to submit their dog to their database after an examination at 15 months by a vet.. information like size, health problems that have appeared, etc etc are recorded there.

It seems very similar to a bonitation and the database available here and I hope that the future CSV club of america will have something similar.

draggar · 19-03-2010, 18:13

Good points, Yukidomari.

I think the international vlcak community would like to see every dog FCI certified (hips) before breeding. I'm also thinking CERF (I think it's an eye?) tested also.

Maybe we could also look at the Sieger standard with GSDs - only dogs with working and show titles will be on the referral list. Here in the US you can easily tell working lines from show lines (this is very obvious in malinois). What working titles will have to be worked out. It is fairly easy for any dog to get a CGC and if it gets the CGC then it's only one more step to get a BH. Maybe SchH1 or obedience titles?

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Rona Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Kraków Posts: 3,509	I've always thought UK was geographically part of Europe and politically a member of European Union... was I mistaken? __________________ Last edited by Rona; 08-02-2009 at 18:21.

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GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	So, finally, I think we will have a website for our very informal "club" - but, hopefully something we can grow and move forward from. I am asking for the help of the wolfdog community... 1. What would be some useful links to add to our site? For instance: CSV clubs from different countries, links to online European registration databases, etc. I'm sure there are plenty of links I have not stumbled upon - and, they do not need to be in English. 2. Is there anyone that would be willing to share some photos for a gallery (with credit given to the photographer, of course)? I think it would be especially to useful to have some photos of very correct conformation, working photos, bonitations, etc. My biggest goal with these photos is to open the eyes of newcomers to the wonderful possibilities, versatility, dedication and hard work of breeders up to this point, and of course, the beauty of our breed. Photos can be sent to: [email protected] Thank you in advance! Marcy __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com

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draggar Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 370	I know this thread is almost a year old but you have our support, Marcy. __________________ Fred Lanting's Official Site Dog Actors

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draggar Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 370	Good points, Yukidomari. I think the international vlcak community would like to see every dog FCI certified (hips) before breeding. I'm also thinking CERF (I think it's an eye?) tested also. Maybe we could also look at the Sieger standard with GSDs - only dogs with working and show titles will be on the referral list. Here in the US you can easily tell working lines from show lines (this is very obvious in malinois). What working titles will have to be worked out. It is fairly easy for any dog to get a CGC and if it gets the CGC then it's only one more step to get a BH. Maybe SchH1 or obedience titles? __________________ Fred Lanting's Official Site Dog Actors

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19-03-2010, 18:04	#7
yukidomari Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 847	Marcy, I hope that if a breed club is established, it will be one of the stricter breed clubs out there. There is a huge variety of breed clubs, standards, bylaws, and who they will or will not list as breeders on their site.. I think the stricter ones like the French Bulldog club (in the US, breeders will not appear on referral or list if they have not been with the club for at least 3 years and have not bred at least 1 dog to have titled CH.) Then there are clubs that seem like just about anything goes. Not a whole lot of clubs mandate relevant health testing.. it's all just pretty much 'research your breeder and even if these breeders appear on our list, we do not explicitly endorse them' type deals. Personally, I would like very much to see a club that requires at the least the mandatory relevant health testing of breeding dogs in order to be listed, as well as minimum ages to be bred. One of our dogs' breed club requires new owners to submit their dog to their database after an examination at 15 months by a vet.. information like size, health problems that have appeared, etc etc are recorded there. It seems very similar to a bonitation and the database available here and I hope that the future CSV club of america will have something similar.