electrical collars

[krala]

wow..do I feel bad now..

Thanks for all your answers!
I can tell you that the electrical collar really was a last resort thing.
My dog had 2 trainers, the first at 5 months, she bit and thore his trousers, then the guy would not answer my phone calls. The second one at 11 months, she thore his t-shirt, the guy did not come anymore...
Since I have had her, we have been in the park with other dogs every day, she came everywhere with us, in the city center, on hollydays etc so she is very well socialized, but one day she was playing nicely with one female dog and the next she was attacking it..
She is incredible protective of me. Today she bit a person that aproached my friend. She would not stop when I called her but stoped when I used the collar...

I am certainly not using the collar to teach her dog tricks... But what am I to do when she bites someone ?! I am hoping that she will understand that she needs to listen to me and than stop using the thing. I have a friend that did just that..

But if anyone has some other ideas.. I am more than thankful for them..

ioana

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by krala

wow..do I feel bad now..

I am certainly not using the collar to teach her dog tricks... But what am I to do when she bites someone ?! I am hoping that she will understand that she needs to listen to me and than stop using the thing. I have a friend that did just that..

But if anyone has some other ideas.. I am more than thankful for them..

ioana

I think that the day it all turned arount she become leader of the pack.
using the collar vil therefore not help at all !!!

Train her in lease !!! And if she do not listen at all take her fore a wrestling match, but make sure to not hert her, after that you get her on the ground, sit on her steady, and tell her that you are the pack leader.

Important nr 1, when she gives up you pet her and tell her that she is good, to give her self to you, after about 1-2 minute you stand up and let the dog up ( on comand if posible)

Important nr 2, you will always have to win, otherwise it will get worse !!!

Important nr 3, you are the one to do this, not your trainer !!!

If it does not work do it again and again , until she understands.

And go a dog course to !!! they are to help you whit this if it is a good club...

Regards / Mikael

[Nebulosa]

Elletric collars commonly isn't used for training, but for correct some little imperfections at commands in a working dogs that will make official exams, like Schutzhund and IPO.
The dog may not fear your command because the shock, he must respect you and because this obey, he must see you as the leader of the pack.

But what am I to do when she bites someone ?!

And what would you do if she really attack someone? coock her with the eletric collar? Eletric collar isn't painfull enought to stop an furious attack when you have no control of the dog and when the dogs really thinks that attack is needed.

Are there any side efects to the use of the electrical collar? I am mostly worried by heart problems..

The eletric colla rmust cause only a strange fellin in the dog necks, isn't painfull but isn't good, that's why you must test the eletric collar in your neck BEFORE use it in the dog, in this way you will know how strong is the collar and if you need up or down the strenght of the shock.

My dog had 2 trainers, the first at 5 months, she bit and thore his trousers, then the guy would not answer my phone calls. The second one at 11 months, she thore his t-shirt, the guy did not come anymore...

What good trainers you had find, they're only accustumate to traine lazy dogs basic commands?!
First of all, I don't think you will find easly a good trainer, but believe me, worst than it is find a good trainer that are able to traine a wolfdog or that have th eminimally good experience with the breed, principally in your country wich czW not seems to be a common breed.
That's why before you chose this breed, you must read and know that this is a difficult breed wich need a very experienced owner and be aware that you cannot count with the help of supposed proffessionals if you have behaviour problems with your dog, normally the breeder must be prepared to help in this case.

She is incredible protective of me. Today she bit a person that aproached my friend.

Agressive reaction not ever means protective in corageous and guard way, but commonly a bad unthinkied reaction for fear and untrusth wich sometimes make us think in a corageous but reactive dog.

I am hoping that she will understand that she needs to listen to me and than stop using the thing.

Maybe, if you're able to make her conect your command to the shock, but this is to much strong for a 13 months old puppie wich have no head and is only testing the leardership of the owner... this if she already not take your place as alpha because the lack of a good and strong leader in the moment.

but when you use eletric collar to training the dog like it some dogs can start to show a better resistence against the shock with the time, even stop to gives attention to it, it would be a really big problem if she be trained only with the eletric collar without respect you really. That means, you cannot be dependent of the eletric collar, or probably you and your dog will have future problems because the eletric collar and because it's bad use.

Please, first of all NOT leave she outleash even she be an educate girl wich respect you and wich you have full control, this surelly will avoid accidents and problems for you, you must take the leader place at your home, fight for leadership is almost a dispute to see who have hardest head, you or the dog? Surelly you must see more stubborn than your dog for win.

- Feed her 3 or 2 times per day, you put her food at the dish and call her, gave 5 minuts for her comes and if she not comes you take out the food and save it on a properlly place, only gaves food for her again in the next round, she can refuse eat for 3 or 5 days, not brake your hearth for it and continues, when she be really with hungry she will comes and eat when you call.

- Try go to long walks with her AT LEASH, if she start to pull you or try to path the direction you stop and only back walk when she acept stop, if she start to guide you simple go in the contrary direction even if you need pulling her at the direction you want.

- At house some dominant dogs like to lie down blocking the corridor or doors passage, if she do that you may not jump for divert of her, but take her out of this place for you pass.

- Before gives gifths to her you may charge little exercices for she win the gifth, like sit or down, only after she makes what you want you may gives the gift.

Never forgeth, leaders are stubborn, hard head and selfish, you must be too.

In a beauty day she is down sleeping at sofa, you want sit in this sofa, why not sit EXACTLY where she is sleeping, making her go to another place?
Stole her play at the moment that she is having funny?

This is an exemple that will depend of the dog reaction against you in this situation, you must be aware that some dogs growl and even try to gives one advertence bite in these moments, you cannot fear your dog, if she try do it you can have a more energetic reaction.

Please, contact the breeders and talk about your problems with the dog, maybe the breeder will be able to help you with his experience.

Hide your eletric collar and only takes it again when you have a really well trained dog and need it for put perfection in the comands before you go to a working trial with your dog... I think you wont need it with a CzW anymore.

[btd]

Very, very well written. It should be made 'sticky' for everyone to read and understand.

[krala]

Hello everybody,
I have come back to this post just to let everyone know what my experience was with the dog and the collar..
I have used the collar for about one month when going on walks. The first time I used it I really thought the damn thing wasn´t working because the dog just did not react. I was using the lowest level, but still .. no reaction. When I used the collar on my other dog, a carpathian sheperd mix, I did get a very clear reaction so I really think that the czw have a very different reaction to pain, which may be an issue if the dog is ill.
Anyway, the second day, she started to understand the idea and the hole process went very well, I used the stimuli lesser and lesser. After this first month , I did put the collar on krala a few more times , on and off , but did hardly ever actually use it. I have not used it this year.
I have to say that for an unexperienced owner like me with really few other options, including no really ¨professional¨ professional, it was a good sollution.
I have read about the bread before getting the dog, when we were inside the house she was very obediant, I could take food out of her mouth, moved her from the sofa without problems, she walked ok on a leash etc, but as soon as she was without the leash, she was totally out of control.
It is much better now, i have only used the collar to teach ¨come¨ and i can trust her now. it is true though that the collar alone is not an option, if the dog is not properly handled no amount of ¨electricity¨will stop it from chasing a rabbit, for instance..especially, as I have said they have amazing tollerence to pain!

There it is! i hope this helps someone
Ioana

[Enid Black]

Ioana, wouldn't it be better to teach her to "come" with a positive reaction instead that with a punishment? O.o... I cannot believe she was happy to obey to you, and that she is happy now to obey to you O.o

Here in Italy Electrical collar IS NOT an option as it is Illegal. Luckily, I add!

I do not believe there was no other option to teach a CSW to come, even because I've seen other CSW coming back and I know no electical collar had been used.

I sincerely hope your experience does not inspire people to choose this way with CSW.

AND I sincerely hope that people will choose to go to training session, and the training is more for the owner than for the dog.

[Gypsy Wolf]

No tool is inherently bad. Misuse and abusing a dog with a tool is. A lot of countries in Europe make certain tools illegal - tools that used in the right hands, are humane and effective, yet other tools that are truly more damaging (such as a "choke" or "slip" collar) are just fine... but I digress.
What you need is a GOOD BEHAVIORIST and dog trainer (preferably in one person!) to assess why the dog is behaving a certain way (many bitches going in to their first heat become intolerant of other bitches in "their" territory) and how to address is WITHOUT making it WORSE.
Often using "punishment" to try to address aggressive behavior (especially if it is an instinctive behavior) will only make it escalate.
Sounds to me that she is a little resource-aggressive - a common issue, but needs to be addressed, and I would NEVER have her off-lead (as she cannot make an appropriate choice) and I would have her muzzled to prevent a serious bite. If she's already torn clothing and gone after people, you have a problem that can end up with someone in the hospital...
You need to learn dog language so you can "see" what she is telling you in order to prevent these problems from happening! Rather than cleaning up the mess, make sure it doesn't happen in the first place!
All the best...