Bonitations in Italy

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Originally Posted by Navarre

6 BONITATIONS WITH 6 DIFFERENT RULES ! The bonitation in Italy is a JOKE, with breeder of committe that measure themselves their own dogs, "adjusting" the misuration when needed...

It is not wondering me. We get already many complains about the results of Italian bonitations. Expecially about the judgement of the character. People (not only from Italy but also from other countries) are asking how it is possible that SHY or VERY SHY dogs which their saw on some dog show get in Italy PERFECT character code and PERFECT note P1. It is wondering them especially because much better dogs (not so shy) for example during the bonitations in Germany get the disqualifications (P14) because they were not able to pass the character tests... Thy always ask how it is possible that scared dogs which would never past the bonitations by them or in the country of origin get so good notes in Italy...

You gave one answer: the dogs are judged by their own breeders (and it ALWAYS cause fraud).
Second answer is also visible: only the specific judges are invited. Always the same people which guarantee good notes for their friends... The kennel name of a dog really have influence how a dog is judged...and which bonitation code it gets...
Third: the character test has been changed so that even very shy dogs will be able to pass it.

All this cause that the Italian bonitation do not fulfil the rules for recognision of the results by the origin coutries. Because mainly the character test do not give the same "comparable" results. It is the reason why we also decided to make some changes in the new database on Wolfdog - the Italian bonitation results (also other which do not fulfil the rules) will be marked as "unofficial", will be not listed and not take into consideration as for example the results of Czech, Slovakian or German bonitations....

Originally Posted by Navarre

I personally will never bring my dogs to a bonitation in Italy with this so-called "Club".

Uffff..... good to heard about it...

Originally Posted by massimo

Yeah, right direction...shy long haired CSW looking as Collies.

Sorry.... but it must be: White Shy Longhaired CzWs....

Originally Posted by massimo

But navarre has been Bonitated in Italy, right?

In 2003 the bonitation in Italy were "normal" - made according the Czech rules by the members of the Czech breeding comittee. And as you can see the results it was done OK:
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/bonitations/58.html
First later when the same judges were no more members of the breeding comittee (read: no more under control) they started do judge not according the official rules but according their own rules (or the new "italian" rules).

I think the last "normal" bonitation was in Serramazzoni in 15/5/2004. I know it was made accoring the "new" rule for character test but Sona Bognarova tried still to give the dogs the same notes as they would get in Slovakia. Maybe it was the reason why some breeders was so angry on her - they changed the rules in order to be able to pass the bonitation with their shy Wolfdogs but even with the very mild character Sona was able to write the right character code of their dogs... BAD, BAD Sona... Now it is no wonder why the Slovakian judges are no more invited to judge the bonitations in Italy since 2004....

Originally Posted by massimo

Maybe all should know You (or one of you... )
are one of the Italian Kennel club Committee...complaining about the club itself!

It is nothing new... We had the same situation in Czech Republic before... to be member of the Club Comittee do not mean you must have the same point of view....