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[kirowan]

hi my name is william.im new on here.very much into wildlife,im a practising falconer,do re enactment and a pagan.my wife and i have a inuit from shoshone kennels shes a beauty.were very much looking to have more wolfie dogs.now a question.which breed is most wolf i/e has more wolf in it.and how difficult is it to obtain a pure wolf ? i do film tv and educational lectures with my trained falcons hawks and eagles.now when experienced enough would like a pure wolf or as near as posible to one.how do i proceed.thanks

The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is a DOG, not a wolf. While it's true that they were bred by crossing back to a wolf, they were mainly originated from German Shepherds, and at this point have so little wolf content, that they are considered a recognized BREED of dog by kennel clubs throughout the world.

Honestly, I don't understand why anyone would want to own a pure wolf when even dogs that have zero wolf content (like Akitas and Huskies) are hard enough to own. It's also hard just to own and house a wolf hybrid (a dog crossed with a wolf, with high wolf content) let alone a pure wolf, and often times it's illegal without having inspected properties and licenses.

I would check out this website ( http://wolfpark.org/wolfdogs/guidelines.html ), it talks about wolf hybrids and how much work it takes to propperly house and own them. I would do a lot of research if you're really serious about this, and you would need to have tons of dog experience, and actually meet these kinds of animals in person and talk to professionals about them. It's a major underaking that shouldn't be taken lightly. Wolves are wild, not domestic animals.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by kirowan

hi my name is william.im new on here.very much into wildlife,im a practising falconer,do re enactment and a pagan.my wife and i have a inuit from shoshone kennels shes a beauty.were very much looking to have more wolfie dogs.now a question.which breed is most wolf i/e has more wolf in it.and how difficult is it to obtain a pure wolf ? i do film tv and educational lectures with my trained falcons hawks and eagles.now when experienced enough would like a pure wolf or as near as posible to one.how do i proceed.thanks

I agree whit Vicky...

And normaly if you ask, you are not ready yet to own a wolf

GD where do you live ??? Grenada ???

Best regards / Mikael

[Grin]

Originally Posted by kirowan

how difficult is it to obtain a pure wolf ?

But what for?
Sorry, but honestly; for the moment I can't see any reason for it: just your whim.
If you live (as you say) so close to a wildlife, you should know, the best thing you can do for it, is... to leave it alone.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by kirowan

and how difficult is it to obtain a pure wolf ? i do film tv and educational lectures with my trained falcons hawks and eagles.now when experienced enough would like a pure wolf or as near as posible to one.how do i proceed.thanks

Sorry, but this is not a nature lover's talk Maybe nature's consumer for his own image. Leave the wolfs in freedom and stop dreaming about how cool it would be to have a "tame" wild animal lying by your feet

What are your reasons for having a wolf?

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by kirowan

hi my name is william.im new on here.very much into wildlife,im a practising falconer,do re enactment and a pagan.my wife and i have a inuit from shoshone kennels shes a beauty.were very much looking to have more wolfie dogs.now a question.which breed is most wolf i/e has more wolf in it.and how difficult is it to obtain a pure wolf ? i do film tv and educational lectures with my trained falcons hawks and eagles.now when experienced enough would like a pure wolf or as near as posible to one.how do i proceed.thanks

woflves are illegal in the UK so you need a licence. you wont be able to get one over here witch is good as they are NOT pets and would not be fair on it to be kept as one... if you are going to get anything get a cwd, they are now leagal to have in the UK and are amazing animals. Do some reserch first though, theye can be a hand full and you need to spend lots of time with them. any one who says theyll sell you a pure wolf is irisponcible and you will be waisting your money becouse it will prob turn out to be not a wolf at all....it may seem like you want a wolf but trust me is not a good idea,,

[AMERICANI]

Leave Wolves to the zoos and preserves. CZWs ARE AWESOME!! They get attention from everyone (with or without a clue) and It is a wonderful experience just watching them behave and live in the manner they do. BUT!!! if you are just looking for something as an ego booster, get a aquarium with pirhanas and show your buddies how fast a steak dissappears.

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by AMERICANI

get a aquarium with pirhanas and show your buddies how fast a steak dissappears.

Better Traíras, when he had enogh of the fishs, he can put it in his swimming pool for a while and when it reach 40 cm its only cook, they're only not such collorful, but have best taste.
A small one in aquarium

[kirowan]

thanks for the input.i think some of you have got the wrong end of the stick.i was only asking i am well aware of uk defra rules.i was told wolf hybrids arew obtainable,and im well aware of the wilderness ive worked in several countrys with wildlife including india with tigers.all of my animals are considered wild.captive bred does not mean domestic.aall animals respond to there proper training to suit individual species.my golden eagle is captive bred but she can take down roe deer and in mongolia they catch wolfs with them.the reason for the hybrid is educational talks and were currently trying to stop eagles being flown at wolfs in middle asia.so what is the best dog to have that is wolf looking.thanks.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by kirowan

thanks for the input.i think some of you have got the wrong end of the stick.i was only asking i am well aware of uk defra rules.i was told wolf hybrids arew obtainable,and im well aware of the wilderness ive worked in several countrys with wildlife including india with tigers.all of my animals are considered wild.captive bred does not mean domestic.aall animals respond to there proper training to suit individual species.my golden eagle is captive bred but she can take down roe deer and in mongolia they catch wolfs with them.the reason for the hybrid is educational talks and were currently trying to stop eagles being flown at wolfs in middle asia.so what is the best dog to have that is wolf looking.thanks.

OK I se, you live in GB not GD as it say in your info

But way can you not use your inuit from shoshone kennel ???

I think a pure wolf will realy make your work harder, if possible at all

Regards / Mikael

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by kirowan

thanks for the input.i think some of you have got the wrong end of the stick.i was only asking i am well aware of uk defra rules.i was told wolf hybrids arew obtainable,and im well aware of the wilderness ive worked in several countrys with wildlife including india with tigers.all of my animals are considered wild.captive bred does not mean domestic.aall animals respond to there proper training to suit individual species.my golden eagle is captive bred but she can take down roe deer and in mongolia they catch wolfs with them.the reason for the hybrid is educational talks and were currently trying to stop eagles being flown at wolfs in middle asia.so what is the best dog to have that is wolf looking.thanks.

So you should officially contact zoo's or some reservations and say you are looking for a wolf for educational uses

[kirowan]

thanks for the last two replys.my shoshone dog is a rehome.ill have to see how she progresses she is 2 year old.i was thinking of a pup so that it can be totally socialised,the falcons and hawks i use are what is termed inprinted.this allows these animals to be used with people and children with out stressing the animal.and ultimately allows us to inseminate female birds and take semen from male birds again without stress and there fore enhances consevation methods when dealing with threatened species.i the 70s there were only 16 individual mauritus kestrels left in the wild.now with care ful management and a mix of captive and wildbed birds there are over 150 pairs.the big preditors in the world are most threatened im sure you agree we have to act now.in the next 100 years it will be to late.wolfs are an important part of the echo system and i love them.just want to do my bit.so any advice is welcome.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by kirowan

so what is the best dog to have that is wolf looking.thanks.

I think, you can train alot of differant breeds to do your work or a mix breed...

What you need is a dog that is easy to train and look like a wolf...

I think you can use a CsV, but there is more easy breeds to own and train, that allso looks like wolfs, and I think that is what you are to look for, as a wolf or a mix whit wolf (hybrid) is not easy at all to work whit...

Maby this breed is something for you http://www.tamaskan-dog.com/
As I think a CsV will be very hard for you to get, as you live in UK, and this breed is more easy to train and own, as there is no wolf blood added...

Best regards / Mikael

Originally Posted by kirowan

thanks for the last two replys.my shoshone dog is a rehome.ill have to see how she progresses she is 2 year old.i was thinking of a pup so that it can be totally socialised,the falcons and hawks i use are what is termed inprinted.this allows these animals to be used with people and children with out stressing the animal.and ultimately allows us to inseminate female birds and take semen from male birds again without stress and there fore enhances consevation methods when dealing with threatened species.i the 70s there were only 16 individual mauritus kestrels left in the wild.now with care ful management and a mix of captive and wildbed birds there are over 150 pairs.the big preditors in the world are most threatened im sure you agree we have to act now.in the next 100 years it will be to late.wolfs are an important part of the echo system and i love them.just want to do my bit.so any advice is welcome.

You obviously know what your doing with your birds, and it's commendable that you want to do so much to help conservation issues with other animals. Remember, though, that birds and wolves speak very different languages, and are therefor much, much different to care for. Although I am really comfortable and confident around dogs, and I'm sure with more study and experience, I could be the same way with wolves, I KNOW that I have zero experience with birds, and I would wind up loosing a finger (or worse!) if I tried to jump in and care for one!

If you really do want to work with education and things like that, find a group near you that works with wolves, like a zoo or park that has captive wolves that can be handled by humans and have been human raised (not just wolves on display that can't be touched), and ask them as many questions as possible. Go and visit often, and first observe the wolves' behaviors on their own, without any contact. Read up on wolf behavior and pack structure. There are tons of books out there written by researchers about this subject, and also about raising captive wolves.

As you learn, see if maybe you can volunteer your time working for a group like that, to get more up-close experience with the wolves. You'll also need to learn the laws in your area of how one obtains a license to house these animals, and what sort of enclosures you'll need to build (a little hint, you're going to need a decent bit of property to fence off, your wolves will NOT be living in your home!) I'm pretty positive you'll need to get a pair of wolves, as well, since they are very social creatures, and living outside, alone, will cause a "lone wolf" to go crazy.

Remember, too, that even with all your efforts, there's still a chance that your wolves may grow up and decide they're not going to be social enough to actually go anywhere for educational events, and maybe to the point where they can't have people in their enclosure at all. You'll have to be ok with the fact that you might end up with a pair of animals you'll have to care for, for over a decade that you may never even be able to have contact with. However, if that does happen, you may be able to find solace in the fact that you can still open your property to the public to do talks about wolves, your birds, and conservation efforts.

So, yeah, it's a daunting task to privately own an exotic, wild animal like a wolf. You may find that you'd rather work through an organization that can do the housing and harder work for you, while you still get a chance to speak out about conservation. But I hope you at least take a lot of time to weigh all your options and decide which path is truly right for you.

[kirowan]

thanks vicky and mikael that is an awesome site you told mw to go on.this is what im after,great advice and some good contacts.

[kirowan]

Originally Posted by AMERICANI

Leave Wolves to the zoos and preserves. CZWs ARE AWESOME!! They get attention from everyone (with or without a clue) and It is a wonderful experience just watching them behave and live in the manner they do. BUT!!! if you are just looking for something as an ego booster, get a aquarium with pirhanas and show your buddies how fast a steak dissappears.

funny ive had natteri ie red pirhana.dont suffer ego problems,but i do get totally involved in my work and conservation my friend. i also hunt quite a lot.whats the old saying.never judge a book by its cover.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by kirowan

thanks vicky and mikael that is an awesome site you told mw to go on.this is what im after,great advice and some good contacts.

Your welcome, good luck whit your work.

Best regards / Mikael

[kirowan]

thanks everyone for some positive input.ok im looking for maybe a czw or a tamaskan wolf lookalike.ive managed to contact wolfpack management at a park in the uk.and im going for a full course.im very excited.i last saw wolfs in india near to sariska tiger park.there numbers like every where are down.although its nice to know some countrys are making hugh leaps forward.next year im off to the usa see there wolfs,im lucky here my son has married a usa girl so i can stay extra long periods,as ive family there.so advice on czw and tamaskan breeders in the uk please.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by kirowan

thanks everyone for some positive input.ok im looking for maybe a czw or a tamaskan wolf lookalike.ive managed to contact wolfpack management at a park in the uk.and im going for a full course.im very excited.i last saw wolfs in india near to sariska tiger park.there numbers like every where are down.although its nice to know some countrys are making hugh leaps forward.next year im off to the usa see there wolfs,im lucky here my son has married a usa girl so i can stay extra long periods,as ive family there.so advice on czw and tamaskan breeders in the uk please.

You have all UK Tamaskan kennels on the Tamaskan website
I can not recomend any one, as I do not know any of them...

Here is the UK breeders of CsV, but there might be more of them now, it is hard to know as they are not in the breeders listing...

---Pacino--- >>> http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/dbase/o1066.html
Wolfzone kennel >>> http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/dbase/o2100.html

Regards / Mikael

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Wolfzone

= Shoshone (where William´s inuit comes from)