Winners of shows

Hanka · 11-08-2009, 13:51

Is it normal when winners of shows ary shy wolfdogs?
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/gallery/pic/100688/
It is not in standart. Why everybody who wants can to do judge for our breed? My God, it is way to Hell......................

loco · 11-08-2009, 14:33

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Originally Posted by Hanka

Is it normal when winners of shows ary shy wolfdogs?
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/gallery/pic/100688/
It is not in standart. Why everybody who wants can to do judge for our breed? My God, it is way to Hell......................

It is also very normal in Holland

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Groette Martine.

Hanka · 11-08-2009, 19:34

Hmmm, really very good publicity for our breed..............
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/en/gallery/pic/40853/

michaelundinaeichhorn · 11-08-2009, 19:37

With this photo I would be carefull with my judgement. It could be that the dog is afraid of the other wolfdog, it could be it doesn´t like the podium.

Ina

Hanka · 11-08-2009, 21:28

Yes, it can be, of course. But everybody can to do fotos for magazines, to Tv, etc. And nobody will ask WHY is his tail under....The people can see shy wolfdog only. And people will think, it is normal for this breed.

freewild · 11-08-2009, 22:59

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

With this photo I would be carefull with my judgement. It could be that the dog is afraid of the other wolfdog, it could be it doesn´t like the podium.

Ina

i'm agree with you, and the photo has been take at 1 moment !!

but on the show in france on champion class one dog had agress on judge
and he said " no ,no it's normaly "

THIS ...... ISN'T NORMALY !!!!

BUT on this picture it's one moment out off the ring

jasmine · 12-08-2009, 12:40

Alud was in my hand in Budapest Klubshow last oktober, I hadle her in the ring in the competition for klub winner female. She was ok, absolutly handable, not agressive,not shy.
Every dog has bad moments, and everybody could make bad photos............to put it to public? ...hmmmm and than write bad things without knowing the dog...(?) hmmmmm

Mikael · 12-08-2009, 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanka

Is it normal when winners of shows ary shy wolfdogs?
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/gallery/pic/100688/
It is not in standart. Why everybody who wants can to do judge for our breed? My God, it is way to Hell......................

I would not judge that hard on a photo or two...

The same dog was at WDS in Stockholm 2008, I did not se her shy, I did take a look again now on all my photos, but no photo of her shy

either way I do not know the dog in person and I would not judge her after just one meeting...

Shy show dogs and lines might be a problem, but way not just talk about that, way just talk about this dog or hang her out

???

Best regards / Mikael

17-08-2009, 18:42

I think it's unfortunate for the reputation of the CsV breed that their temperaments are so close to wolves that all their visual cues when it comes to behavior are exaggerated. What may look like very shy submissive dog in another breed like a labrador, who doesn't exhibit many wolf-like traits, could be one second of "communication" for a CsV. Wolves, and therefor dogs close to wolves, communicate their feelings through very exaggerated visual cues, and show how the dog is feeling in one particular instant, instead of other dogs who only show traits like that in very extreme cases.

Even though this is a normal thing, obviously dogs who show submissive/shy behavior as their normal character should be excluded from shows and breeding. Also, pictures like these that may show only a second of the dog's character (which ISN'T the norm for that particular dog) should be excluded from press because people unfamiliar with the breed will make assumptions. It's really hard working with a breed that is so misunderstood!

jasmine · 17-08-2009, 19:34

Yes...but the person who started this topic is a well known breeder and she must know the caracter of the breed, behaviour of csw as she deal with wolfdogs for ages. So I'm just wondering why she open this topic and started to cause bad reputation of this multiCH female, for her owner,for her breeder....and for the breed.
But this is not the first time and unfortunately not the last that she did it

Navarre · 17-08-2009, 22:00

This dog isn't a really shy dog but not even a dog with strong character.

She' s simply a dog without a secure point of reference : she travels all around the world with several handlers only to win an exaggerate number of silly championship like Bosnia, Croatia and so on, just to compensate the ego of its owner.

Hanka · 18-08-2009, 06:09

Hello Vicky, please read about this breed more. It was made like working breed. Thear character is not closed wolves. In standart is nothing about shynnes. Shy wolfdog = bad wolfdog.
Jasmine (Edit Molnar), please don´t write about me, I don´t it too. Thanks

In my first article could to be some other fotos too, because on much shows in the world I can see similar fotos. Winner of show with tail under stomach. Very good imagine of our breed.
It is not saarlos, it is czechosl. wolfdog. Much owners, breedes forgot it and much of them don´t know first idea for making of this breed.
But it is always the same. Breeding without bonitations, breeding without selection, every wolfdog is good for breeding.................But it is so easy and good for producing of pups. I am not suprised.

11-08-2009, 13:51	#1
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Winners of shows Is it normal when winners of shows ary shy wolfdogs? http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/gallery/pic/100688/ It is not in standart. Why everybody who wants can to do judge for our breed? My God, it is way to Hell......................

17-08-2009, 22:00	#11
Navarre VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Roma Posts: 5,998	This dog isn't a really shy dog but not even a dog with strong character. She' s simply a dog without a secure point of reference : she travels all around the world with several handlers only to win an exaggerate number of silly championship like Bosnia, Croatia and so on, just to compensate the ego of its owner. __________________ Susanna & Gianluca & Andrea & Navarre & Isabeau & Brandimarte & Anastasia & Lana Last Navarre & Beau Isabeau

11-08-2009, 19:34	#3
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Hmmm, really very good publicity for our breed.............. http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/en/gallery/pic/40853/

11-08-2009, 19:37	#4
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	With this photo I would be carefull with my judgement. It could be that the dog is afraid of the other wolfdog, it could be it doesn´t like the podium. Ina

11-08-2009, 21:28	#5
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Yes, it can be, of course. But everybody can to do fotos for magazines, to Tv, etc. And nobody will ask WHY is his tail under....The people can see shy wolfdog only. And people will think, it is normal for this breed.

12-08-2009, 12:40	#7
jasmine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	Alud was in my hand in Budapest Klubshow last oktober, I hadle her in the ring in the competition for klub winner female. She was ok, absolutly handable, not agressive,not shy. Every dog has bad moments, and everybody could make bad photos............to put it to public? ...hmmmm and than write bad things without knowing the dog...(?) hmmmmm

17-08-2009, 18:42	#9
Vicky Guest Posts: n/a	I think it's unfortunate for the reputation of the CsV breed that their temperaments are so close to wolves that all their visual cues when it comes to behavior are exaggerated. What may look like very shy submissive dog in another breed like a labrador, who doesn't exhibit many wolf-like traits, could be one second of "communication" for a CsV. Wolves, and therefor dogs close to wolves, communicate their feelings through very exaggerated visual cues, and show how the dog is feeling in one particular instant, instead of other dogs who only show traits like that in very extreme cases. Even though this is a normal thing, obviously dogs who show submissive/shy behavior as their normal character should be excluded from shows and breeding. Also, pictures like these that may show only a second of the dog's character (which ISN'T the norm for that particular dog) should be excluded from press because people unfamiliar with the breed will make assumptions. It's really hard working with a breed that is so misunderstood!

17-08-2009, 19:34	#10
jasmine Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 188	Yes...but the person who started this topic is a well known breeder and she must know the caracter of the breed, behaviour of csw as she deal with wolfdogs for ages. So I'm just wondering why she open this topic and started to cause bad reputation of this multiCH female, for her owner,for her breeder....and for the breed. But this is not the first time and unfortunately not the last that she did it

18-08-2009, 06:09	#12
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Hello Vicky, please read about this breed more. It was made like working breed. Thear character is not closed wolves. In standart is nothing about shynnes. Shy wolfdog = bad wolfdog. Jasmine (Edit Molnar), please don´t write about me, I don´t it too. Thanks In my first article could to be some other fotos too, because on much shows in the world I can see similar fotos. Winner of show with tail under stomach. Very good imagine of our breed. It is not saarlos, it is czechosl. wolfdog. Much owners, breedes forgot it and much of them don´t know first idea for making of this breed. But it is always the same. Breeding without bonitations, breeding without selection, every wolfdog is good for breeding.................But it is so easy and good for producing of pups. I am not suprised.